Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-eyeballs-cookie-00.txt
"Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> Thu, 30 October 2014 12:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-eyeballs-cookie-00.txt
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On 29 Oct 2014, at 21:38 , Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote: > On Oct 29, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Bjoern A. Zeeb <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> wrote: >> I would phrase that differently as “I want predictable, deterministic behaviour and not magic”. > > Then you want POTS, not a global packet-switched network. > > :) Damn that thing still works after so many decades and is so reliable indeed; now SIP is taking over. I was more thinking in terms of applications (or more general end-node behaviour), but I wouldn’t mind more simple, deterministic protocol behaviour either; less can be more; feature-itis is a disease of its own. And, personally I guess, if we had more working (deployed) code before we’d have RFCs published on specifications, we’d have a lot less OPs (or ooops) things to write down and deal with and a lot less crap and a lot less drafts making it to RFCs;-) /bz — Bjoern A. Zeeb "Come on. Learn, goddamn it.", WarGames, 1983
- [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Simon Perreault
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Erik Nygren
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Bjoern A. Zeeb
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Simon Perreault
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Jeroen Massar
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Mark ZZZ Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-h… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Andrew 👽 Yourtchenko
- Re: [v6ops] I-D Action: draft-vyncke-v6ops-happy-… Owen DeLong