Re: [Vcon] Email metadata in vCon

[Orie Steele <[e-mail]>]

Following up on this, I was reading
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4155.txt recently.

I wonder if there are JSON Email representations that vCon might more
directly defer to?

I was hoping there might be some JSON based email representation that vCon
could cite or otherwise use without redefining terms.

I came across:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sml-structured-email/

I wonder if JSON-LD for vCon had been previously discussed, or had there
been any conversation about how vCon and SML might fit together or not?

OS



On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 4:47 PM Orie Steele <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Context for Dan and Alexey:
>
> - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-vcon
> - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-petrie-vcon
>
> We had some hallway conversations at IETF 119, about using vCon & SCITT
> for transparency and archival purposes.
>
> Regards,
>
> OS
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 2:44 PM Orie Steele <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> Adding a few email experts (I am not an email expert).
>>
>> These parameters look correct to me for vCon, but I am not sure if there
>> are additional email details that should be considered for archival use
>> cases.
>>
>> I also wonder if there is any encryption or signing information which
>> might be retained in a useful way, such that a holder of a vCon and some
>> trust roots might confirm that parts of a vCon have not been tampered with,
>> without using the custom JOSE approaches in the draft today.
>>
>> I'm thinking specifically of the case where I might know that a Party had
>> a particular key at a point in time, and I might be able to use that key to
>> verify an email message that had been archived in vCon.
>>
>> I suppose there could also be DMARC / DKIM fields that we might expect to
>> see preserved per message.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> OS
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 2:03 PM Dan Petrie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Orie:
>>> You are probably swamped, catching up after IETF 119.  When you have a
>>> few minutes, it would be great to have your input on this.
>>>
>>> I think that you have worked with email in a vCon more than many people
>>> have so far.  However, if anyone else on the list has any thoughts on this,
>>> I would greatly appreciate your input too.
>>>
>>> I have done a little work putting email messages into a vCon, one
>>> message per dialog.  Mostly, my use was in some simple unit tests and in
>>> generating examples for the I-D.  The table below maps the SMTP headers
>>> that I have put into a vCon.
>>>
>>> Are there any other SMTP header fields or metadata that you think should
>>> be possible to include in a vCon?
>>>
>>> Do you agree with the mapping from SMTP to vCon parameters?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>> ORIE STEELE
>> Chief Technology Officer
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>>
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> ORIE STEELE
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>
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