Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed

Monty Montgomery <xiphmont@gmail.com> Sun, 22 March 2015 15:22 UTC

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Subject: Re: [video-codec] The Can Has Landed
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I know Thomas already responded, but...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Keith Winstein <keithw@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> But what are the merits of an IETF working group performing this kind of
> high-risk, high-reward research, versus doing something much more boring
> like "writing a specification for VP9 to enable interoperable
> implementations, and then iterating on that technology"?

Personally, I'd like to see Google submit their VPx work as an input
to this process and even more interested in seeing them participate in
development.  Just like with Opus, I don't think the IETF is
interested (and I'm certainly not interested) in rubber-stamping an
existing codec.

...it would also go a long way toward repairing VP9's image in the
marketplace.  Like it or not, the conventional wisdom is 'VP9 is a
proprietary codec with uncertain IPR status'.  IP is obviously a major
concern of ours, and we don't believe a strategy of 'we'll just win in
court' is likely to win an adoption war.

Monty