Re: [VoT] How to express duplicate checks with VoT?

Nick Roy <nroy@internet2.edu> Fri, 11 March 2016 18:46 UTC

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From: Nick Roy <nroy@internet2.edu>
To: Joanne Knight <Joanne.Knight@dia.govt.nz>, 'Rolf Brugger' <rolf.brugger@switch.ch>, "vot@ietf.org" <vot@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [VoT] How to express duplicate checks with VoT?
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Rolf, are your RPs use cases ever approaching the last level that Joanne mentions below?  Hopefully not...

Nick




On 3/10/16, 6:56 PM, "vot on behalf of Joanne Knight" <vot-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of Joanne.Knight@dia.govt.nz>; wrote:

>Hi All
>
>There are three aspect or levels when looking at uniqueness to be considered.
>
>First level is that the identity is unique - that is, within a context there is a set of attributes that are unique for each identity registered.
>
>Second level is sole claimant - this is a check that only one entity has claimed a particular set of attributes. At the higher levels of identity proofing where authoritative sources are used it may be possible to achieve this. This is sufficient in most RPs cases. At this level while it is possible for a single entity to claim more than one identity, they do so at the risk of causing a counter-fraud flag should the real owner (or any other party) also attempt to claim the identity.
>
>The final level is one and only one - This is a check - usually biometric - that an entity has only one claim in the context. This is usually only reserved for the highest level of identity and would also require equally high levels of credential and credential issuance processes.
>
>As to how this relates to VoT - 
>The first should be innately built into all levels of P - it is the sole requirement of all levels
>
>The second could be built into P3 if the wording was amended slightly.
>
>The last item only is substantively missing and to date (in the conversations I have been having elsewhere) there has been insufficient appetite to add it as an explicit requirement. 
>
>Should we have a PU? Maybe, but steer clear of the term 'unique'
>If we do, in my mind it would only have two values - P?0 - Claims per entity not checked, P?1 - Claims per entity restricted to one.
>
>Joanne
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rolf Brugger [mailto:rolf.brugger@switch.ch] 
>Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016 5:51 a.m.
>To: vot@ietf.org
>Subject: [VoT] How to express duplicate checks with VoT?
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'm new to this list and I hope my question is not totally irrelevant here.
>
>We have plenty of use cases where RPs need to have confidence, that a person does not have multiple identities in one IdP. I don't see how this aspect of identity quality can be expressed, and I believe it is pretty orthogonal to the P, C, M and A dimensions that are currently specified in the VoT draft.
>
>We could imagine multiple ways to gradually prove that an identity has been checked against duplicates. The most straightforward approach would be to make sure that unique personal attributes are used only once within one IdP or an IdP federation, like
>- email address(es)
>- mobile phone number
>- home postal address
>- social security number
>- ID / passport number
>- the combination of name and birth date
>- etc.
>
>Would it make sense to express this in VoT?
>
>best regards
>
>Rolf
>
>
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