Re: Meeting Monday? Re: minutes for review: W3C/IETF telcon Monday 24 October

[Ted Hardie <[e-mail]>]

At 12:14 PM -0500 2/10/06, Leslie Daigle wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>My PDA is prodding me -- we have a meeting scheduled for Monday:
>
>> *RESOLUTION: PLH to chair next meeting*
>>
>> *RESOLUTION: Next meeting Mon Feb 13 2006, 2pm Eastern*
>>
>> <scribe> *ACTION:* plh to book the bridge [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action06]
>
>
>Agenda thoughts?
>
>Leslie.

The proposed BoF on DMSP and the approved BoF on DIX might be
of interest.
			Ted



>
>
>Thomas Roessler wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>please find attached draft minutes of today's IETF/W3C liaison call.
>>These are online at:
>>     http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html
>>
>>I'll publicly announce these to public-ietf-w3c on 2 November unless
>>I hear otherwise.
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>W3C <http://www.w3.org/>
>>
>>
>>  IETF / W3C Liason Call
>>
>>
>>    24 Oct 2005
>>
>>
>>    Attendees
>>
>>Present
>>    Tim Berners-Lee, Philippe Le Hegaret, Thomas Roessler, John Klensin,
>>    Scott Hollenbeck, Dan Connollie, Leslie Daigle
>>Regrets
>>Chair
>>    Leslie Daigle
>>Scribe
>>    Thomas Roessler
>>
>>
>>    Contents
>>
>>    * Topics <#agenda>
>>         1. Convene, take roll, recruit scribe, review agenda <#item01>
>>         2. Discuss IETF liaison submission tool? <#item02>
>>         3. Review of action items <#item03>
>>         4. Computer Misuse Act breaks WebArch <#item05>
>>         5. any other business <#item06>
>>         6. remoteui, XML patch bof <#item07>
>>         7. SPAM ... news from Paris? expectations for Vancouver? <#item08>
>>         8. Schedule next meeting <#item09>
>>    * Summary of Action Items <#ActionSummary>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> 
>> 
>><scribe> Scribe: tlr
>>
>>
>>      Convene, take roll, recruit scribe, review agenda
>>
>>[[ Vancouver availability; DanC and Philippe both not going to be there. ]]
>>
>>Leslie: agenda bashing?
>>
>>
>>      Discuss IETF liaison submission tool?
>>
>>leslie: Sent note a month ago that there is a liaison submission tool ...
>>... bcp about liaison relationship management ...
>>... processes ...
>>... don't exchange that many formal liaison messages ...
>>... but happy to talk about state of tool ...
>>
>>plh: looked into RFC 4052/4053 ...
>>... seems like when you have liaison statement, make it public on IETF web site ...
>>
>><DanC> (the W3C Liaisons "tool" is http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison )
>>
>>plh: if we don't do this, ?? ...
>>
>>leslie: e-mail address to which liaison statements sent ...
>>... then manual intervention ...
>>... tool: instantaneous posting ...
>>... can more or less structure ...
>>... not working out very well -- not everyone knows exactly who they are sending something to ...
>>... ITU sent liaison to IETF, said it should go to ?? ...
>>... without e-mail addresses ...
>>
>>plh: need for that from w3c point of view?
>>
>>timbl: agree
>>
>>leslie: debugging process by this point
>>
>>plh: If we ought to do this, we can reconsider.
>>
>>danc: state of the art at W3C is web page
>>
>>leslie: process?
>>
>>danc: managed by comm team. Before AC meeting -- "this guy was liaison to OMG and dead"
>>
>>leslie: Problem that we had is that for vaguely specified recipients / senders, bottom of pile
>>
>>danc: we don't even have that -- just put contact info in there
>>
>>leslie: logging ... slowed up
>>
>>
>>      Review of action items
>>
>>leslie: dan, did you delete any action items when you commented?
>>
>>[[ leslie goes through done action items ]]
>>
>>s/redraw/withdraw/
>>
>><DanC> *ACTION:* *[DONE]* DanC to arrange bridge for Monday, October 24, 3pm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>><DanC> *ACTION:* *[DONE]* DanC to ask for "ok to archive everything I send to list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action02]
>>
>><DanC> *ACTION:* DanC to look into adding "note well..." notice to webdav, uri lists *[CONTINUES]* [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action03]
>>
>>http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3c-ietf-coord/2005Oct/0005.html
>>
>><DanC> . *ACTION:* DanC to comment on URI guidelines about not doing DAV: again
>>
>>leslie: withdraw action item on URI guidelines action ...
>>... action timeframe might have passed ...
>>
>>DanC: action might have been overtaken
>>
>><scribe> *ACTION:* Philippe to check with Martin about the status of file *[PENDING]* [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action04]
>>
>><scribe> *ACTION:* [DONE] Philippe to follow up on the p3p header registry [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action05]
>>
>><DanC> public_minutes ++ :)
>>
>><plh-ietf> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nottingham-hdrreg-http-05.txt
>>
>>Philippe didn't do it, Mark Nottingham did
>>
>>plh: p3p header part of document, listed on IANA web site ...
>>
>><DanC> (I think that counts as PLH doing it.)
>>
>>leslie: any other action items?
>>
>>
>>      Computer Misuse Act breaks WebArch
>>
>>danc: tim, introduce this one?
>>
>><DanC> [[
>>
>><DanC> Earlier this month Londoner Daniel Cuthbert was fined under the Computer
>>
>><DanC> Misuse Act for doing what almost every website advises, checking to see
>>
>><DanC> whether the company he was dealing with online really were who they
>>
>>timbl: somebody got fined for HTTP GET on something/../../
>>
>><DanC> claimed to be.
>>
>><DanC> ]]
>>
>><DanC> -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4365280.stm
>>
>>timbl: message to TAG list ...
>>
>><DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Oct/0020.html
>>
>>timbl: web architecture says: anyone can do any GET, and it doesn't imply anything ...
>>... can't commit ...
>>... in this case, was deemed to be a hacking attempt ...
>>... anything in the IETF about this one?
>>
>>leslie: Don't think has seen this...
>>... Scott?
>>
>>scott: nothing
>>
>>john: nothing
>>... aware, but haven't seen in IETF context ...
>>
>>timbl: TAG to raise awareness for architectural principle?
>>
>>john: at least as interesting an IAB discussion topic as an IETF one
>>
>>leslie: facts?
>>
>>dan: that was TAG's problem -- background
>>
>>timbl: pointing to .../0020.html above. Search for "tsunami hacker" ...
>>... a bunch of stuff has been written up ...
>>
>>danc: checked google news, but there was less than you'd expect
>>
>>leslie: two things to understand -- one is scale/scope of this ...
>>... if you take it to something we'd consider a logical conclusion, it's scary ...
>>... if we wanted to make something out of this, ...
>>... not averse to working with you on this, or saying something about it as well ...
>>... evolution of Internet from network of hosts to next voice carrier network ...
>>... in the sense that if you do something you're not instructed to do you do something wrong
>>
>>timbl: deep linking ...
>>... trouble with the law is, "the following link is unauthorized" + click on it => liability ...
>>
>>leslie: When you try debugging a broken web site, it gets scary
>>
>>timbl: this guy had entered credit card information, not gotten receipt
>>
>><DanC> (well, I'm not sure it's so clear... I've heard other stories... like the guy said he was cracking...)
>>
>>[[ more discussion about facts in this case ]]
>>
>><knitbot> well, there ya go
>>
>>leslie: It would be useful if we could find more information, share it, find something to go forth with
>>... IAB's role ...
>>
>><DanC> (tlr, re minuting, the ritual is: draft minutes go to [e-mail] ; after 7 days of no objections, they go public to [e-mail] )
>>
>><knitbot> (and final copy e-mailed to w3c-coord
>>
>><knitbot> )
>>
>><knitbot> (sorry about the fast talking)
>>
>>
>>      any other business
>>
>>danc: xml patch / rui
>>
>>
>>      remoteui, XML patch bof
>>
>><DanC> tlr: do the folks at the patch BOF know about Xupdate?
>>
>>scott: they're looking for solutions
>>
>><DanC> (I asked tlr to forward his message before I read it, just in case it merited discussion)
>>
>>tlr: Dave Raggett wondered about relationship with remoteui, and http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net/xupdate
>>
>>scott: they're meeting for the first time, if you have solutions, that would be helpful
>>
>>plh: xenc media type
>>
>>scott: looks fine
>>
>>plh: ok, have 3 other media types at the same time
>>
>>scott: Serial processing
>>
>>plh: not concerned with time line, more concerned with acceptance
>>
>>scott: looks fine ...
>>
>><knitbot> I can't hear voice at this point -- very bad breaking up
>>
>>scott: if W3C specs are stable, there shouldn't be any issues ...
>>
>><knitbot> back
>>
>>
>>      SPAM ... news from Paris? expectations for Vancouver?
>>
>>leslie: spam -- scott?
>>
>>scott: nothing to add
>>
>><DanC> (ah yes... DKIM.. that was the acronym I was looking for...)
>>
>>leslie: Vancouver -- DKIM BOF in Paris ...
>>... looking at attempting to add to mail ability to validate sending MTAs ...
>>... BOF itself didn't go too far ...
>>... clarity in terms of what solution was provided ...
>>
>><timbl> http://mipassoc.org/dkim/
>>
>>leslie: people weren't able to give a problem ...
>>... another bof with new chairs ...
>>
>>scott: Still called DKIM. Describe what they are protecting against ...
>>... BOF focus -- take look at threat assessment, make sure that what they charter themselves to do ...
>>... is responsive to threat assessment ...
>>
>><knitbot> threat assess
>>
>>
>>      Schedule next meeting
>>
>>leslie: next ietf in March
>>
>>[[ calendaring discussion ]]
>>
>><DanC> do I hear Wed 15 Mar? at which time?
>>
>>*RESOLUTION: PLH to chair next meeting*
>>
>>*RESOLUTION: Next meeting Mon Feb 13 2006, 2pm Eastern*
>>
>><scribe> *ACTION:* plh to book the bridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action06]
>>
>><DanC> (I set alarms at T-7days and T-1 day when I chair. It doesn't always help. :)
>>
>>yes, plh
>>
>>
>>    Summary of Action Items
>>
>>*[NEW]* *ACTION:* plh to book the bridge [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action06]
>> *[PENDING]* *ACTION:* DanC to look into adding "note well..." notice to webdav, uri lists [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action03]
>>*[PENDING]* *ACTION:* Philippe to check with Martin about the status of file [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action04]
>> *[DONE]* *ACTION:* DanC to arrange bridge for Monday, October 24, 3pm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action01]
>>*[DONE]* *ACTION:* DanC to ask for "ok to archive everything I send to list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action02]
>>*[NEW]* *ACTION:* Philippe to follow up on the p3p header registry [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action05]
>> [End of minutes]
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>>$Date: 2005/10/24 19:58:43 $