Meeting Monday? Re: minutes for review: W3C/IETF telcon Monday 24 October

[Leslie Daigle <[e-mail]>]

Howdy,

My PDA is prodding me -- we have a meeting scheduled for Monday:

 > *RESOLUTION: PLH to chair next meeting*
 >
 > *RESOLUTION: Next meeting Mon Feb 13 2006, 2pm Eastern*
 >
 > <scribe> *ACTION:* plh to book the bridge [recorded in
 > http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action06]


Agenda thoughts?

Leslie.



Thomas Roessler wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> please find attached draft minutes of today's IETF/W3C liaison call.
> These are online at:
>   
>    http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html
> 
> I'll publicly announce these to public-ietf-w3c on 2 November unless
> I hear otherwise.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> W3C <http://www.w3.org/>
> 
> 
>   IETF / W3C Liason Call
> 
> 
>     24 Oct 2005
> 
> 
>     Attendees
> 
> Present
>     Tim Berners-Lee, Philippe Le Hegaret, Thomas Roessler, John Klensin,
>     Scott Hollenbeck, Dan Connollie, Leslie Daigle
> Regrets
> Chair
>     Leslie Daigle
> Scribe
>     Thomas Roessler
> 
> 
>     Contents
> 
>     * Topics <#agenda>
>          1. Convene, take roll, recruit scribe, review agenda <#item01>
>          2. Discuss IETF liaison submission tool? <#item02>
>          3. Review of action items <#item03>
>          4. Computer Misuse Act breaks WebArch <#item05>
>          5. any other business <#item06>
>          6. remoteui, XML patch bof <#item07>
>          7. SPAM ... news from Paris? expectations for Vancouver? <#item08>
>          8. Schedule next meeting <#item09>
>     * Summary of Action Items <#ActionSummary>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> <scribe> Scribe: tlr
> 
> 
>       Convene, take roll, recruit scribe, review agenda
> 
> [[ Vancouver availability; DanC and Philippe both not going to be there. ]]
> 
> Leslie: agenda bashing?
> 
> 
>       Discuss IETF liaison submission tool?
> 
> leslie: Sent note a month ago that there is a liaison submission tool ...
> ... bcp about liaison relationship management ...
> ... processes ...
> ... don't exchange that many formal liaison messages ...
> ... but happy to talk about state of tool ...
> 
> plh: looked into RFC 4052/4053 ...
> ... seems like when you have liaison statement, make it public on IETF 
> web site ...
> 
> <DanC> (the W3C Liaisons "tool" is http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison )
> 
> plh: if we don't do this, ?? ...
> 
> leslie: e-mail address to which liaison statements sent ...
> ... then manual intervention ...
> ... tool: instantaneous posting ...
> ... can more or less structure ...
> ... not working out very well -- not everyone knows exactly who they are 
> sending something to ...
> ... ITU sent liaison to IETF, said it should go to ?? ...
> ... without e-mail addresses ...
> 
> plh: need for that from w3c point of view?
> 
> timbl: agree
> 
> leslie: debugging process by this point
> 
> plh: If we ought to do this, we can reconsider.
> 
> danc: state of the art at W3C is web page
> 
> leslie: process?
> 
> danc: managed by comm team. Before AC meeting -- "this guy was liaison 
> to OMG and dead"
> 
> leslie: Problem that we had is that for vaguely specified recipients / 
> senders, bottom of pile
> 
> danc: we don't even have that -- just put contact info in there
> 
> leslie: logging ... slowed up
> 
> 
>       Review of action items
> 
> leslie: dan, did you delete any action items when you commented?
> 
> [[ leslie goes through done action items ]]
> 
> s/redraw/withdraw/
> 
> <DanC> *ACTION:* *[DONE]* DanC to arrange bridge for Monday, October 24, 
> 3pm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action01]
> 
> <DanC> *ACTION:* *[DONE]* DanC to ask for "ok to archive everything I 
> send to list [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action02]
> 
> <DanC> *ACTION:* DanC to look into adding "note well..." notice to 
> webdav, uri lists *[CONTINUES]* [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action03]
> 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/w3c-ietf-coord/2005Oct/0005.html
> 
> <DanC> . *ACTION:* DanC to comment on URI guidelines about not doing 
> DAV: again
> 
> leslie: withdraw action item on URI guidelines action ...
> ... action timeframe might have passed ...
> 
> DanC: action might have been overtaken
> 
> <scribe> *ACTION:* Philippe to check with Martin about the status of 
> file *[PENDING]* [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action04]
> 
> <scribe> *ACTION:* [DONE] Philippe to follow up on the p3p header 
> registry [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action05]
> 
> <DanC> public_minutes ++ :)
> 
> <plh-ietf> 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nottingham-hdrreg-http-05.txt
> 
> Philippe didn't do it, Mark Nottingham did
> 
> plh: p3p header part of document, listed on IANA web site ...
> 
> <DanC> (I think that counts as PLH doing it.)
> 
> leslie: any other action items?
> 
> 
>       Computer Misuse Act breaks WebArch
> 
> danc: tim, introduce this one?
> 
> <DanC> [[
> 
> <DanC> Earlier this month Londoner Daniel Cuthbert was fined under the 
> Computer
> 
> <DanC> Misuse Act for doing what almost every website advises, checking 
> to see
> 
> <DanC> whether the company he was dealing with online really were who they
> 
> timbl: somebody got fined for HTTP GET on something/../../
> 
> <DanC> claimed to be.
> 
> <DanC> ]]
> 
> <DanC> -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4365280.stm
> 
> timbl: message to TAG list ...
> 
> <DanC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Oct/0020.html
> 
> timbl: web architecture says: anyone can do any GET, and it doesn't 
> imply anything ...
> ... can't commit ...
> ... in this case, was deemed to be a hacking attempt ...
> ... anything in the IETF about this one?
> 
> leslie: Don't think has seen this...
> ... Scott?
> 
> scott: nothing
> 
> john: nothing
> ... aware, but haven't seen in IETF context ...
> 
> timbl: TAG to raise awareness for architectural principle?
> 
> john: at least as interesting an IAB discussion topic as an IETF one
> 
> leslie: facts?
> 
> dan: that was TAG's problem -- background
> 
> timbl: pointing to .../0020.html above. Search for "tsunami hacker" ...
> ... a bunch of stuff has been written up ...
> 
> danc: checked google news, but there was less than you'd expect
> 
> leslie: two things to understand -- one is scale/scope of this ...
> ... if you take it to something we'd consider a logical conclusion, it's 
> scary ...
> ... if we wanted to make something out of this, ...
> ... not averse to working with you on this, or saying something about it 
> as well ...
> ... evolution of Internet from network of hosts to next voice carrier 
> network ...
> ... in the sense that if you do something you're not instructed to do 
> you do something wrong
> 
> timbl: deep linking ...
> ... trouble with the law is, "the following link is unauthorized" + 
> click on it => liability ...
> 
> leslie: When you try debugging a broken web site, it gets scary
> 
> timbl: this guy had entered credit card information, not gotten receipt
> 
> <DanC> (well, I'm not sure it's so clear... I've heard other stories... 
> like the guy said he was cracking...)
> 
> [[ more discussion about facts in this case ]]
> 
> <knitbot> well, there ya go
> 
> leslie: It would be useful if we could find more information, share it, 
> find something to go forth with
> ... IAB's role ...
> 
> <DanC> (tlr, re minuting, the ritual is: draft minutes go to 
> [e-mail] ; after 7 days of no objections, they go public 
> to [e-mail] )
> 
> <knitbot> (and final copy e-mailed to w3c-coord
> 
> <knitbot> )
> 
> <knitbot> (sorry about the fast talking)
> 
> 
>       any other business
> 
> danc: xml patch / rui
> 
> 
>       remoteui, XML patch bof
> 
> <DanC> tlr: do the folks at the patch BOF know about Xupdate?
> 
> scott: they're looking for solutions
> 
> <DanC> (I asked tlr to forward his message before I read it, just in 
> case it merited discussion)
> 
> tlr: Dave Raggett wondered about relationship with remoteui, and 
> http://xmldb-org.sourceforge.net/xupdate
> 
> scott: they're meeting for the first time, if you have solutions, that 
> would be helpful
> 
> plh: xenc media type
> 
> scott: looks fine
> 
> plh: ok, have 3 other media types at the same time
> 
> scott: Serial processing
> 
> plh: not concerned with time line, more concerned with acceptance
> 
> scott: looks fine ...
> 
> <knitbot> I can't hear voice at this point -- very bad breaking up
> 
> scott: if W3C specs are stable, there shouldn't be any issues ...
> 
> <knitbot> back
> 
> 
>       SPAM ... news from Paris? expectations for Vancouver?
> 
> leslie: spam -- scott?
> 
> scott: nothing to add
> 
> <DanC> (ah yes... DKIM.. that was the acronym I was looking for...)
> 
> leslie: Vancouver -- DKIM BOF in Paris ...
> ... looking at attempting to add to mail ability to validate sending 
> MTAs ...
> ... BOF itself didn't go too far ...
> ... clarity in terms of what solution was provided ...
> 
> <timbl> http://mipassoc.org/dkim/
> 
> leslie: people weren't able to give a problem ...
> ... another bof with new chairs ...
> 
> scott: Still called DKIM. Describe what they are protecting against ...
> ... BOF focus -- take look at threat assessment, make sure that what 
> they charter themselves to do ...
> ... is responsive to threat assessment ...
> 
> <knitbot> threat assess
> 
> 
>       Schedule next meeting
> 
> leslie: next ietf in March
> 
> [[ calendaring discussion ]]
> 
> <DanC> do I hear Wed 15 Mar? at which time?
> 
> *RESOLUTION: PLH to chair next meeting*
> 
> *RESOLUTION: Next meeting Mon Feb 13 2006, 2pm Eastern*
> 
> <scribe> *ACTION:* plh to book the bridge [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action06]
> 
> <DanC> (I set alarms at T-7days and T-1 day when I chair. It doesn't 
> always help. :)
> 
> yes, plh
> 
> 
>     Summary of Action Items
> 
> *[NEW]* *ACTION:* plh to book the bridge [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action06]
>  
> *[PENDING]* *ACTION:* DanC to look into adding "note well..." notice to 
> webdav, uri lists [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action03]
> *[PENDING]* *ACTION:* Philippe to check with Martin about the status of 
> file [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action04]
>  
> *[DONE]* *ACTION:* DanC to arrange bridge for Monday, October 24, 3pm 
> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action01]
> *[DONE]* *ACTION:* DanC to ask for "ok to archive everything I send to 
> list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action02]
> *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Philippe to follow up on the p3p header registry 
> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/10/24-ietf-minutes.html#action05]
>  
> [End of minutes]
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