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[Web-bot-auth] Re: WebBotAuth Direction

Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com> Wed, 13 May 2026 08:02 UTC

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From: Dick Hardt <dick.hardt@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 09:01:28 +0100
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Curious why there is no option 3 of working in sequence and starting with
“bot identity”

Related: does this WG have a crisp definition of “bot identity” — I think
it is critical we have a shared concept or we will be talking past each
other

On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 10:33 PM Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Based on the discussion during the interim and later on the mailing list,
> it sounds like there is significant enthusiasm for the anonymous approach,
> but still interest in the bot identity approach.
>
> So, we would like to get the WG opinion on the following directions:
> 1. Work on the approaches in sequence, starting with the anonymous
> approach, followed by the bot identity approach.
> 2. Work on both, anonymous and bot identity approaches, in parallel.
>
> Please, reply to this email on the mailing and indicate which option you
> prefer.
>
> Regards,
>  Rifaat & David
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