[Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principal layer above bot authentication
~blake <blake@truealter.com> Thu, 09 July 2026 01:48 UTC
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Subject: [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principal layer above bot authentication
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Hi Dick, Thank you, that was the pointer I needed. Having now read draft-hardt-oauth-aauth-protocol-09 and aauth.dev, signed requests over RFC 9421 instead of bearer tokens, and OAuth being the wrong shape for MCP, both match what I kept running into. AAuth already carries a human principal in the Person and Missions, well beyond Web Bot Auth's key-only model. My consent-settlement work is about a different human role; not the accountable operator behind the agent, but the data subject an identity attribute is about, who issues a scoped, revocable consent grant for a specific read of their own attributes and takes a share of what the reader pays. That subject is usually a third party to the agent. Specifically, can AAuth's Person and Mission machinery carry a consent grant issued by someone who is not the agent's Person, or does subject-side consent and settlement sit as a separate layer beside AAuth? As I read AAuth-09 it establishes authorisation but does not price or settle a read, which is the piece I have written up in draft-morrison-consent-settlement. Thibault, yes, Section 6.2 is draft-meunier-webbotauth-httpsig-protocol, and the transport-versus-payload split is the seam. The signature authenticates the agent and stays person-agnostic, while subject identity and settlement bind at the payload layer, as UCP does with buyer identity. Consent-settlement lives at that payload layer. Of your pointers, crawl-payment and draft-klrc-aiagent-auth are closest to what I am doing, so I will follow those first; the case I care about is the cross-domain read of a third party's attributes, which is why it sits beside the established-trust-domain work rather than inside it. A pointer to the crawl-payment thread would be welcome. Cheers, Blake
- [Web-bot-auth] Interest in the human-principal la… Blake
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Songbo Bu
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Srecko Jovancevic
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Dick Hardt
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Thibault Meunier
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… ~blake
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Dick Hardt
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… ~blake
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Dick Hardt
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Blake
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Dick Hardt
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Kaveh Ranjbar
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Blake
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Kaveh Ranjbar
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Nick Mathews
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Joshua Ashcroft
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Nick Mathews
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Dick Hardt
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Nenad Vasic
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Songbo Bu
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Nenad Vasic
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Nenad Vasic
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Songbo Bu
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Joshua Ashcroft
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Joshua Ashcroft
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… Aurélien Brézun
- [Web-bot-auth] Re: Interest in the human-principa… David Schinazi