Re: [Webpush] WGLC for draft-ietf-webpush-protocol-05

Richard Maher <maherrj@googlemail.com> Tue, 17 May 2016 01:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Webpush] WGLC for draft-ietf-webpush-protocol-05
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"5.4 Updating Push Messages" is based on the misconception that "Topics"
are "Collapse Keys". The standard as proposed has been superseded by event
on the ground by established, successful, and more importantly scalable
solutions: -

Google Cloud Messaging: -
https://developers.google.com/cloud-messaging/topic-messaging

Azure Notification Hubs: -

https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2013/09/16/delivering-push-notifications-to-millions-of-devices-with-windows-azure-notification-hubs/

Whether the Topics are identified via HTTP headers or JSON Tokens is the
only moot point. What is clear is that the proposed protocol attempts to
conflate the Topic and Collapse Key features: -
https://developers.google.com/cloud-messaging/concept-options#collapsible_and_non-collapsible_messages

The fact that quintessential Push Notification feature "Broadcasting" has
been descoped from this protocol must be sufficient to reject the proposal.

Please do not make the same mistake that you made with Geofences. IETF and
W3C credibility has already suffered enough.

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 AM, Shida Schubert <shida@ntt-at.com> wrote:

> All;
>
> As discussed at the IETF 95, as last issue surrounding the subscription
> re-use is addressed, we are starting a Working Group Last Call for the
> webpush protocol.
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-webpush-protocol-05
>
> If you have any issues or questions regarding the draft please submit it
> to the list, when raising issues please provide constructive resolution
> when possible.
>
> Please acknowledge on the list even when you are content/happy with the
> status of the draft.
>
> The Working Group Last Call will end on June 6th (3 weeks).
>
> Shida
> As co-chair
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