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Re: [weirds] Domain Reputation in RDAP

"Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> Wed, 02 December 2015 17:02 UTC

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From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>
To: Andrew Newton <andy@hxr.us>
Thread-Topic: [weirds] Domain Reputation in RDAP
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Subject: Re: [weirds] Domain Reputation in RDAP
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:47 AM
> To: Hollenbeck, Scott
> Cc: weirds@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [weirds] Domain Reputation in RDAP
> 
> Hmm... that depends. Is the idea to provide meta-data so a reputation
> can be determined, or is the idea to actually provide a reputation?
> 
> The latter idea is subjective and could be dangerous. But providing
> meta-data can be fact based and put reputation in the eye of the
> beholder.

Indeed, the former sounds more viable than the latter.

> It seems like a simple thing to do with existing RDAP would be to
> provide a history of registrations and expirations using events. That
> way a long held domain changing hands is something an observer can
> draw their own conclusions about. Just an idea.

It's worth thinking about. It might also be helpful in the context of WHOWAS-ish services.

Scott

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