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Re: ID Tracker State Update Notice: <draft-ietf-curdle-cms-chacha20-poly1305-04.txt>

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Thu, 29 December 2016 23:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: ID Tracker State Update Notice: <draft-ietf-curdle-cms-chacha20-poly1305-04.txt>
From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
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> On Dec 29, 2016, at 18:14, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm late to this, but let me add to what Robert said:
> 
>> The important thing the message is conveying is the new state. The old state
>> is background information.
> 
> Absolutely correct, and that's why news media, such as the New York
> Times, also use the "changed to ... from ..." order.  You might think
> you prefer the opposite order, but they have studied this, and have
> concluded that "changed to ... from ..." is actually better for
> comprehension.

This is a little odd. Some people say they keep misreading the information  and then you tell them they only think presenting it differently would cause less misreading. 

Let's take a step back. The current phrasing is misleading for some and results in errors. What can we do to make it better for everyone[*], taking into account we are not constrained like a newspaper.

Paul
[*] with the exception of Yoda

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