RE: NUDGE: WG milestones tool requirements: draft-ietf-genarea-milestones-tool-00.txt

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Paul,

I think a means of notifying WG chairs and ADs of changes is needed.
Is the atom feed sufficient for notification?  I would probably prefer to receive email.

It may be useful to allow WG secretaries to access the tool.  Making milestone
updates as part of putting out meeting minutes seems like a logical thing to do.

Section 4 lists 5 changes:

   o  create new milestones
   o  change milestone descriptions
   o  change milestone due dates
   o  change which Internet-Drafts are associated with a milestone
   o  assert that a milestone is completed

And goes on to suggest that the default is that all require AD approval.

IMHO, marking a milestone complete should default to notifying the AD, not waiting for approval.  I routinely send these completion requests directly to ietf-action.  I would suggest that due date changes and Internet-Draft changes default similarly.  While I routinely check date with my AD before submitting, I think a notification to the AD would be sufficient to trigger a WTF??? inquiry to WG chairs who do something unexpected.  Regarding Internet-Drafts, at a minimum, I should not need to ask an AD's permission to associate a newly-submitted -00 WG draft with a milestone.

I would not spend the resources on automating marking of milestones as complete in response to draft state changes in the draft tracker.  This sort of milestone completion update is not that much work, and ADs should be encouraged to delegate this task to the WG chairs and/or secretary as appropriate.

Thanks,
--David
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 1:10 PM
> To: IETF WG chairs
> Subject: NUDGE: WG milestones tool requirements: draft-ietf-genarea-milestones-tool-00.txt
> 
> [[ Did I really get all the requirements right on the first try? :-) ]]
> 
> Greetings again. Following the lively discussion we had here a few weeks ago, the IAOC asked me to
> produce a new Internet Draft specifically about a tool for chairs to update their milestones. This
> has now been separated from the earlier work on updating charters.
> 
> After talking to some ADs and reading the earlier threads here, I put together
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-genarea-milestones-tool-00>. This is explicitly a first draft
> and is open for lots of changes, clarifications, and so on. In the earlier thread, there was wide
> disagreement on who should approve milestone additions and changes, so section 4 of the -00 is my
> first guess about what might work for most people, but I could have missed the mark.
> 
> I am Cc'ing the IESG on this message, but the forum for discussion of the draft (at this stage) is
> the [e-mail] mailing list.
> 
> The sooner we come to resolution on these requirements, the sooner the IAOC can put out an RFP to
> make the tool become real.
> 
> --Paul Hoffman