Re: [Xml-sg-cmt] contact element

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com> Thu, 05 August 2021 20:51 UTC

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From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>
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Subject: Re: [Xml-sg-cmt] contact element
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On 8/4/21 4:32 PM, Sandy Ginoza wrote:
> Hi Peter, John,
> 
>> Did you two ever get a chance to write this up?
> 
> Finally getting back to this - sorry for the delay.  This is a
> clarification of item 2 on
> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rse/wiki/doku.php?id=v3_guidance_received
> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rse/wiki/doku.php?id=v3_guidance_received>>
> and an attempt at building on Peter’s strawman text regarding how
> <contact> should be used.  
> 
> The following is based on how <contact> has been used in recent pubs
> from each stream.  
> 
> <contact> is recommended for the following:
> 
>   *
>     names mentioned in the Acknowledgments and Contributors sections of
>     documents. 
>     (not typically used for author names of draft itself, e.g., Author A
>     would like to thank…)
>   *
>     individual names in the IANA registrations (e.g., contacts).
>   *
>     IAB members, workshop participants, and the program committee.
>     (not a list of names under position papers, as that is really about
>     the referenced doc)
>   *
>     wherever needed to render names/organizations with
>     non-ASCII characters correctly
> 
> The RPC will not proactively add the <contact> element to a document
> outside of the areas listed above, but authors are welcome to do so. 

The foregoing seems reasonable to me.

> The IAB workshop participants and program committee got thrown in
> because they usually contain one or more names with non-ASCII chars, so
> it seemed like we should use <contact> consistently within the section.
>  Based on the discussion below, would participants and committee members
> fall into the last category, where <contact> is only added where needed
> to display non-ASCII chars? 

It seems to me that the number of participants and committee members
tends to be fairly small (on the order of ~20 at most) and IAB workshop
RFCs are published relatively infrequently, so structuring them all via
the <contact> element is not onerous. But YMMV.

Peter