Re: [xml2rfc] [rfc-i] whose on first

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Sat, 20 February 2021 07:27 UTC

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From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [rfc-i] whose on first
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Am 20.02.2021 um 08:24 schrieb Julian Reschke:
> ...
> 1) It's (AFAIR) not covered by the style guide.
>
> 2) RFC 7749 says in
> <https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7749.html#element.format>:
>
>> 2.18. <format>
>>
>> Provides a link to an additional format variant for a reference.
>>
>> Note that these additional links are neither used in published RFCs
>> nor supported by all tools. If the goal is to provide a single URI for
>> a reference, the "target" attribute on <reference> can be used instead.
>>
>> This element appears as a child element of <reference> (Section 2.30).
>>
>> Content model: this element does not have any contents.
>
> I believe back then it was rendered in HTML but not in text, or the
> other way around.
>
> 3) If you look at the output formats for 8979 and 8795 you see that the
> links indeed are not rendered (I checked text and HTML). I'll also note
> that the Internet Draft references point to tools.ietf.org, which likely
> is in conflict with the RFC Style Guide.
> ...

4) That the <format> element appears in the canonical RFC appears to be
in conflict with
<https://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc7998.html#rfc.section.5.6.6>.

Best regards, Julian