[xml2rfc] Reference data from W3C
fred at cisco.com (Fred Baker) Mon, 05 June 2006 22:07 UTC
From: "fred at cisco.com"
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:07:01 +0000
Subject: [xml2rfc] Reference data from W3C
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On Jun 5, 2006, at 7:13 PM, Martin Duerst wrote: > My current guess is that the order in the xml2rdf reference data > was taken from an earlier version of the TR database, where the > order was by chance different. But I'm looking forward to know what > the actual reason for this confusion is. I would guess that the reason is that in the IETF, author order has generally been considered irrelevant. Several people worked on it, end of discussion. I would suggest that you send the directory maintainer a corrected citation file. >From mrose at dbc.mtview.ca.us Tue Jun 6 11:52:51 2006 From: mrose at dbc.mtview.ca.us (Marshall Rose) Date: Tue Jun 6 10:52:58 2006 Subject: [xml2rfc] Reference data from W3C In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.20.2.20060606092557.04f650d0@localhost> References: <6.0.0.20.2.20060606092557.04f650d0@localhost> Message-ID: <586303B6-27D7-47D2-8A34-27EA795C2F46@dbc.mtview.ca.us> > My guess was that this wrong order was taken from the W3C TR page at > http://www.w3.org/TR/. However, that currently shows Yergeau, Maler, > Bray, Sperberg-McQueen, Paoli (not correct either). That page in turn > is generated from RDF (at http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/ > tr.rdf). the mixer uses this page: http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/tr.rdf > The reason the order of the authors isn't maintained is that RDF, by > default, doesn't provide order among tuples (even if they are ordered > when in RDF/XML form), and that the designers of the relevant schema > ignored this fact and the fact that author order is significant. if there is another machine-readable source that provides authors in the order that you want, please provide a URL. > Here is what I'd like to see (adapted from > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt): > > [XML1] Bray, T., Paoli, J., Sperberg-McQueen, C., Maler, > E., > and F. Yergeau, "Extensible Markup Language (XML) > 1.0 > (Third Edition)", World Wide Web Consortium > Recommendation, February 2004, > <http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml>. > > There are three important points here: > - The order of the authors. can't be fixed unless the source file is ordered. > - The fact that it says "World Wide Web Consortium Recommendation" > rather than "W3C REC REC". actually, it says W3C REC REC-xml-20040204 what do you want the following codes spelled out as: CR NOTE PR REC WD FirstEdition LastCall > - The fact that it uses an actual URI (which could be > http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xml-20040204 if it's important > to designate the precise version). ok. /mtr
- [xml2rfc] Reference data from W3C Martin Duerst
- [xml2rfc] Reference data from W3C Fred Baker