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Re: [xmpp] 3921bis: probe + unavailable

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Sun, 07 March 2010 02:16 UTC

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On 2/10/10 1:59 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote:
> On 2/4/10 1:35 AM, "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/1/10 6:03 PM, Justin Karneges wrote:
>>> A large benefit is to prevent a jabber:iq:last storm.  We don't want there to
>>> be any reason for a client to poll its entire roster.
>>
>> I completely agree with that sentiment!
> 
> As do I, however without a timestamp in the unavailable presence (which in
> itself is a presence leak), I see many clients still doing iq:last scans --
> which are themselves a presence leak, but an unplugged one in many servers.

In my working copy I have specified that including a delayed delivery
extension (from XEP-0203) is a SHOULD here. We can discuss further in
Anaheim.

Peter

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