Re: [xrblock] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcweb-rtcp-xr-metrics-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> Mon, 21 May 2018 15:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [xrblock] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcweb-rtcp-xr-metrics-09: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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> On May 18, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Mirja Kühlewind <ietf@kuehlewind.net> wrote:
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> Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for
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> DISCUSS:
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> For the AD: Please note that the intended status in the datatracker is
> "Proposed Standard" while the doc itself says "Informational". After reading
> the doc, I would find informational correct. However, please clarify what the
> intended status is supposed to be!
> 

It is supposed to be informational. That is an oversight on my part. I’m fixing it now.

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> COMMENT:
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> Thanks for the well-written document. A few comments mostly on references:
> 
> - Maybe also provide an (informative) reference to
> draft-ietf-rtcweb-overview-19 on the first occurrence of WebRTC...?
> 
> - Is ReportGroup defined in another RFC? If so, please provide reference in
> ther terminology section.
> 
> - Maybe provide (informative) references for Mean Opinion Score (MoS) and Media
> Delivery Index (MDI), as well as "Media Loss Rate (MLR) of MDI" maybe.
> 
> - It seems to me that at least [W3C.WD-webrtc-stats-20161214] should be a
> normative reference.
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> - I wonder if it would make sense to refer to some of the IPPM RFCs that define
> these or similar metrics?
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