Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check-in at the Swissotel
John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 17 November 2019 18:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check-in at the Swissotel
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--On Sunday, November 17, 2019 18:17 +0800 Ross Finlayson <finlayson@live555.com> wrote: >> p.s. For anyone impressed by applications of facial >> recognition (whether "impressed" is positive or negative), >> those of you were were not at the recent World Internet >> Conference in Wuzhen China missed a truly memorable >> experience. > > You can't tease us like this. Please elaborate. The advance registration procedure for the conference required fairly extensive documentation although probably not enough to set off personal alarms for an international meeting with, e.g., important government functionaries present. However, that registration documentation also required a picture with very specific rules about background, size, shape, and resolution -- much more specific than I'd used to for, e.g., passport or visa applications -- and registrations that did not conform were apparently held until the pictures were ok. I didn't think much of it at the time, however, once we checked in at the conference and received badges (ones that contained not only that picture but what appeared to be RFID chips) went through the usual metal detectors and bad x-rays, additional trips in and out of the meeting (at least for some of us - I didn't do a careful study) caused pictures of us to show up on a large screen as we approached the security portal and we were then waved past the metal detectors and x-ray machines. I assumed before thinking about it just now that it was triggered by facial recognition software and comparison to the database of attendees but I guess it could have as easily been reading of the RFID chip on the badge with facial recognition used to compare the stored image and the face of the person welking the badge (I assume by computer and AI, but maybe by humans who were being extremely discrete about what they were doing). In any event, it was very impressive as a way to run a conference, keep track of people and move them in and out, and concentrate actual security resources on people and situations that might have reasonable likelihood of being a threat. The contrast to, e.g., engaging in extensive security theater that inconveniences everyone, causes long queues, and has high risk of not catching anything important was quite striking. At the same time, if one is inclined to worry about the amount of tracking such a system would permit if anyone cared, saw the opportunities for data mining and integration, and viewed it as harbinger of things to come, well it could be rather scary. For example, I did not see any signs of the system being used to track who was attending particular sessions, but it would not have been hard to conceal the needed cameras or non-contact badge readers. And so on. So, as I said, a memorable -- and impressive-- experience. best, john
- [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check-in … Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Carlos Marcelo Martinez Cagnazzo
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Allison Mankin
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… John C Klensin
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Ross Finlayson
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Tan Shao Yi
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Sanjeev Gupta
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Vincent Roca
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… John C Klensin
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Marie-Jose Montpetit
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… Allison Mankin
- Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check… John Scudder