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Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check-in at the Swissotel

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Sun, 17 November 2019 09:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [106attendees] Facial recognition trial check-in at the Swissotel
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With apologies for not responding to an earlier message in what
I'm sure was an interesting thread because, apparently due to a
glitch, I've only now been added to this list, and for asking
what are probably obvious questions:

(1) While extensive use of facial recognition may be new, my
understanding is that Singapore has had a well-established
reputation for extensive surveillance for decades.  If people
think that is a significant problem rather than just an
interesting local custom, why is the IETF is meeting there? 

(2) Are there privacy policy clauses in the IETF's hotel
contracts and, in the one(s) associated with this meeting?  If
so, is there any reason why they should not be disclosed to IETF
participants?   And, if not and we care as much about such
things as we claim to, why not?

best,
    john

p.s. For anyone impressed by applications of facial recognition
(whether "impressed" is positive or negative), those of you were
were not at the recent World Internet Conference in Wuzhen China
missed a truly memorable experience.


--On Sunday, November 17, 2019 17:25 +0800 Allison Mankin
<allison.mankin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Today, I noticed street signs up for a city app in which you
> can photograph a stranger you think is violating a law (it
> showed someone using a scooter on the sidewalk) and submit it.
> Presumably the city uses facial recognition from there.
> 
> Hotel check-in by face seems to me like more data for
> surveillance in this city (not that it's the only one...)
> 
> Allison
> 
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 16:33 Suzanne Woolf
> <suzworldwide@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Nov 16, 2019, at 12:31 AM, Andrew Sullivan
>> > <sullivan@isoc.org> wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 12:27:55AM -0500, Dave Lawrence
>> > wrote:
>> >> Having done it, I wasn't left with the feeling that it was
>> >> any more efficient or speedy than the typical way.
>> > 
>> > I felt it was dramatically less speedy, particularly
>> > because I kept getting "helped" by a staff member who made
>> > the workflow even more difficult to follow.
>> 
>> Mine was going faster when the helper was preoccupied with
>> someone else than when he turned his attention to me.
>> 
>> 
>> Suzanne
>> 
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