Re: [6lo] draft-chairs-6lo-dispatch-iana-registry-00.txt

Samita Chakrabarti <samita.chakrabarti@ericsson.com> Sat, 18 July 2015 22:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [6lo] draft-chairs-6lo-dispatch-iana-registry-00.txt
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Hi Paul,

Thanks for your suggestion. We will revisit the ESC bytes allocation proposal based on various suggestions.
As for G3-PLC usage of 6lowpan usage,  here is some explanation provided by Thierry on the list:



From: Thierry LYS [mailto:thierry.lys@erdf.fr] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:11 PM
To: Samita Chakrabarti
Cc: 6lo@ietf.org; cabo@tzi.org; cedric-2.lavenu@edf.fr
Subject: RE: [6lo] Possible 6LoWPAN dispatch type deprecation and re-use for route over purposes

Hello Samita, 

Please find my answer below: 

> ESC dispatch header is used in G3-PLC for 2 types of commands : the mesh-under routing and the bootstrapping. 
We do use 6LOWPAN_IPHC and ESC headers in the same frame during the bootstrapping phase. 

> ESC dispatch header is placed after 6LOWPAN_IPHC header. ESC is always located in last position. 

Best regards, 
Thierry 

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-Samita
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From: 6lo [mailto:6lo-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Duffy
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 8:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [6lo] draft-chairs-6lo-dispatch-iana-registry-00.txt

On 7/8/2015 4:48 PM, Jonathan Hui wrote:
> Finally, I'll reiterate that I think we should think carefully about 
> simply giving a whole swath of the ESC namespace to G3-PLC.  One 
> possibility is to have an encoding that can carry something like an 
> OUI, allowing third parties to define whatever they want without any 
> further coordination with the IETF.  IEEE 802.15.4e-2012 IEs have a 
> form that can carry OUIs.

I agree with Jonathan's statements re: this draft.  The G3 assignments represents more that 10% of the available extension types, and I see little justification for that.

Alternatives include a dispatch value assigned for "organization extension" with the subsequent frame containing an OUI, PEN, etc. then the org defined payload.  Let the extending organization manage their own number space and frame definition.  Or the mentioned approach of 4e's Information Element.

I'm also curious, given G3 is asking for 31 Extension Types ... what parts of RFC-ed 6LoWPAN are they actually using?

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