Re: [6lowpan] ND and MAC-level security

"Don Sturek" <d.sturek@att.net> Thu, 11 June 2009 12:46 UTC

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From: Don Sturek <d.sturek@att.net>
To: 'Carsten Bormann' <cabo@tzi.org>, 'Brian Frank' <brian.tridium@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [6lowpan] ND and MAC-level security
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Hi Carsten,

I am not so sure the CAP I-D is the best starting point.   CAP is based on
ZigBee service discovery which assumes statically held service information
and a compact set of query primitives each device can use to determine
compatible application services.

In a later thread, there was mention of a variation of HTTP using binary
encoding (mapped to XML I would presume) and running over UDP.  This would
seem to be an elegant start to a service discovery protocol for 6LowPAN
devices.  It would be nice as well to have a caching scheme so sleepy
devices could contribute their service information and make it visible
without needing to be awake all the time to do so.

Other alternatives could include using another tokenized XML solution like
W3C EXI, OBiX, etc with some type of caching solution like those supported
in SLP or SDDP.

I think this really does not below in 6LowPAN though.  Perhaps we could ask
for formation of a group in in the Application area to address?

Best Regards,
Don Sturek



-----Original Message-----
From: 6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:6lowpan-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of Carsten Bormann
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 10:56 PM
To: Brian Frank
Cc: Hamid Mukhtar; 6lowpan@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [6lowpan] ND and MAC-level security

On Jun 11, 2009, at 03:15, Brian Frank wrote:

> However, I am not sure SNMP is the best starting point.

Now, what *is* the best starting point?

One interesting submission we haven't spent much time looking at is:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-tolle-cap-00

Gruesse, Carsten

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