Re: [Ace] draft-ietf-ace-oauth-authz

Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl> Mon, 04 May 2020 07:15 UTC

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Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 09:15:08 +0200
From: Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl>
To: Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ace] draft-ietf-ace-oauth-authz
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Hi Carsten,

The imagination will not have finished its work in 10 yeras time if coap
and the authorization will enjoy the success they merit.
Also I don't see anybody being ready to start such  a document the
coming month.
Do you see another document in which a first set of these registrations
can be added?

FYI, today I do my iplementation and (to my regret) will invent
something of my own. 

cheerio,

Peter
Carsten Bormann schreef op 2020-05-04 08:51:

> On 2020-05-04, at 08:42, Seitz Ludwig <ludwig.seitz@combitech.se> wrote: 
> 
>> For the sake of getting the document finished before I die of old age ;-) would it be possible to specify this in a separate document?
> 
> I think there may be multiple of these RT registrations, because the fact that a resource is part of an AS is only part of the information that is needed: The RT could tell us more about the way the AS wants to be used.
> 
> I think that is a strong argument to *not* do these RT registrations in the framework, because we will not have enough imagination to catch them all.
> 
> So my recommendation would indeed be a separate document.
> 
> Grüße, Carsten
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