Re: [Acme] Draft agenda timing

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 09 March 2015 15:42 UTC

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Hiya,

On 09/03/15 15:27, Salz, Rich wrote:
> Our main goal is not to handle all certificate enrollment use-cases,
> but rather focus on "I want to secure my website."  We expect that
> there will be things we can do to the base I-D to make it more
> amenable to future expansion to handle NFV/SDN down the line.  Or
> that those communities could an enhanced protocol as a starting
> point.
>
> But enumerating some of the requirements seems to make sense in the
> "additional requirements" agenda item.

Right.

Accumulating use-cases is a fine thing to do. But, and it's a BIG
but, those additional use cases are only of interest if they don't
deflect or distract from meeting the primary goals of this work.
(Which the BoF and list determine of course.)

The IETF has messed up certificate management sufficiently often
that as an AD, (and as a past participant in messing this up;-),
I'll not be sponsoring work that I think is overly broad or that
lacks a laser-like focus on getting one or a few things done and
done well enough to see useful deployment.

Cheers,
S.

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