Re: [Add] Comparative DoH Discovery DNS RR Types
dagon <dagon@sudo.sh> Tue, 30 June 2020 06:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Add] Comparative DoH Discovery DNS RR Types
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:57:49PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: > I'm with Paul. I prefer creating new RR types. > There aren't that many dumbass middleboxes around, and those that are there, > are usually put there intentionally, and they deserve what they get. +1 Middleware ignoring RFC 3597 has a privacy benefit: it won't leak the local DNS discovery details. A marginal DNS appliance, unable to process RESINFO and other inherently local, policy-based novel types, won't pass such traffic to 3d parties. E.g., ancient Cisco PIX will drop IN RESINFO?, failing the user back to udp/53. But such middleware could pass TXT-based discovery, sharing the local DoH policies. It also announces to the outside "oh look, someone just started a browser". Further, firewall operators must parse and ponder the global vs. local significance of such TXT records. Their solutions won't be consistent, creating a new generation of quirked gear. Could the draft (perhaps off the ADD list) provide advice for transit, firewalls and middleware witnessing such local discovery? Silently drop? ICMP? SERVFAIL? This is in contrast to DNSSEC, often dropped by broken middleware. DNSSEC conversations generally have global and e2e utility, since each hop and even appliances can validate. DoH discovery is local, and best dropped by non-speakers. -- David Dagon dagon@sudo.sh D970 6D9E E500 E877 B1E3 D3F8 5937 48DC 0FDC E717
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