Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator role
Frode Kileng <frodek@tele.no> Fri, 16 August 2019 19:55 UTC
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From: Frode Kileng <frodek@tele.no>
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Subject: Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator role
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On 16/08/2019 18:30, Bret Jordan wrote: > Not every devices supports this. Please stop using the “endpoints can > do everything” argument that been fronted by the “there is nothing > wrong camp” for the last 5 years. How can "your" ISP DNS-filtering solution protect my children when not connected that specific network? How can it protect if the end-point bypass the network specific DNS using DoT or some "hidden" mechanisms? How can a "FQDN matching rule" protect when the malware/"dangerous content" is distributed from a previously un-classified source or distributed from a source normally considered safe? Wanting to add competitive advantages compared to other ISPs by offering a DNS-based filtering solution is a perfectly good business argument but I cannot understand the argument that this is the only or best solution for this specific use-case. Frode > > Thanks, > Bret > PGP Fingerprint: 63B4 FC53 680A 6B7D 1447 F2C0 74F8 ACAE 7415 0050 > "Without cryptography vihv vivc ce xhrnrw, however, the only thing > that can not be unscrambled is an egg." > >> On Aug 16, 2019, at 12:56 AM, Frode Kileng <frodek@tele.no >> <mailto:frodek@tele.no>> wrote: >> >> On 15/08/2019 23:58, Bret Jordan wrote: >> <snip> >>> If you say that the parental controls you have signed up for and >>> paid money for are no longer going to work, you might get a >>> different answer. >> >> There are numerous other client-side child-safe products in the >> markets that will continue to work perfectly well. Please please stop >> using this "save the children" argument that has been fronted by the >> "anti-encryption camp" for the last 5 years. >> >> frodek >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Add mailing list >> Add@ietf.org <mailto:Add@ietf.org> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/add >
- [Add] Validity of network administrator role STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Joe Abley
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Rob Sayre
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Rob Sayre
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Alec Muffett
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Andrew Campling
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Joe Abley
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… George Michaelson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Adam Roach
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Joe Abley
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Adam Roach
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Adam Roach
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Frode Kileng
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Andrew Campling
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of the "child safety/mal… Frode Kileng
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of the "child safety/mal… Andrew Campling
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of the "child safety/mal… Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of the "child safety/mal… Frode Kileng
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of the "child safety/mal… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Bret Jordan
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Frode Kileng
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Neil Cook
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Paul Wouters
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Tommy Jensen
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [Add] [Ext] Validity of network administrator… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Add] Validity of network administrator role Michael Richardson