Re: [alto] Re-chartering guidance

Hi Vijay, Jan, Martin,

Thanks a lot! Personally, I like the decision. It can be more efficient and
then lead to better results.

As for the discussion leader, you can be a good, natural choice :-) Other
potential candidates I see can include Sabine, Luis, Yunfei, and me, as
these four people are already quite familiar with the existing documents,
and also engaged in the many side meetings---there are multiple other
younger candidates attending the many side meetings as well, but we may
reduce their burden a bit.

My proposal is that the chairs and the AD just approach one, and I have a
strong belief that the others will just support---one very nice thing,
which I like a lot about the alto WG, is that the members have strong
collaborations and provide each other with very strong support. Hence, I
see no problem with picking any of the five. These people come from
different "segments": Sabine (Nokia, equipment), Luis (Telefonica, ISP),
Yunfei (Tencent, app), Vijay (chair), and me (academia), and a single
"leader" need the support of other segments anyway.

Just my 2cents.
Richard

On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 6:26 PM Vijay Gurbani <vijay.gurbani@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All: As you may have noticed from the ALTO agenda, the last hour of our
> meeting time is devoted to re-chartering discussion.
>
> At issue is how to best use that time?
>
> I laid out the two approaches on how to use this time in [1], and
> subsequent to that, Jan, Martin, and I have had a quick chat on providing
> some guidance to the principals so the hour can be used in the most optimal
> manner.
>
> To summarize [1], here are the two ways: One, have individual speakers
> talk about their specific pieces of work, and then have a recharter
> discussion that tries to weave in all of the presentations.  Or two, have
> one presenter present a coherent rechartering discussion that includes
> works from others, and then lead the larger discussion.  The former
> approach has been used in the past during BoFs, but may not be as
> applicable to us here for reasons enunciated in [2].
>
> This leaves the second option: have a discussion leader who will summarize
> existing threads of work being sought in a recharter, and drive the
> discussion forward.  We think this is the best way to move forward on
> rechartering discussion.
>
> Therefore, here is a concrete proposal:
>
> - Choose one person to lead the discussion.  (Call him or her the
> discussion leader.  I note that a subset of you have started a Google doc
> [3] that starts collecting potential recharter discussion items.)
>
> - The discussion leader leads the discussion, and everyone who wants to
> contribute a presentation that will have impact on the rechartering
> discussion should produce 1 slide (and 1 slide only, no title slide, just a
> single slide that includes architecture, results, and discussions on their
> specific work item for rechartering).  The creators of this 1-slide send it
> to the discussion leader [4].
>
> - The creator of the slide may come up to the mic and speak to their slide
> for 1 minute (and 1 minute only).  This limit will be enforced by the
> chairs (apologies in advance).
>
> - The remaining time after a series of 1 minute presentations will be left
> for the broader discussion on rechartering.
>
> We hope that this provides some structure and guidance to the rechartering
> discussions.  Please let Jan and me know if you have any questions, and
> please let us know who the discussion leader will be.
>
> [1]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/alto/rmBGzkM6hPPXLs1r5ngplxe-7ak/
> [2] We eschew the BoF approach primarily driven by time constraints:
> consider that I counted at least 11 drats that were identified possible
> recharter discussion, and a separate request for a 20 minute slot.
> Assuming we allocate 5 minutes to each draft, we are looking at 55 minutes
> already!  Not to mention the 20 minute slot.  Therefore, allocating time
> for presentations will not be possible if we want to devote most of the
> time to discussing the recharter.
> [3]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qP9jf-CMXvNiEE3YAnApTczAE4QkBW23Q1Eg99uOaEQ/edit
> [4] While I do not relish being the creator of these 1 minute slides, I
> have found them to be very effective at focusing on the main message itself
> instead of meandering around.  Consider these the equivalent of an
> "elevator pitch".
>
> Thanks,
>
> - vijay
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