Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to present on GRASP ? (was: Re: draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 16 November 2020 06:02 UTC
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To: Yingzhen Qu <yingzhen.qu@futurewei.com>, Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
Cc: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>, "rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org" <rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>, "陈双龙( 00419335)" <chenshuanglong@huawei.com>, "anima-chairs@ietf.org" <anima-chairs@ietf.org>, Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>, "anima@ietf.org" <anima@ietf.org>, Guyunan <guyunan@huawei.com>, "rwilton@cisco.com" <rwilton@cisco.com>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to present on GRASP ? (was: Re: draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol
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If anyone is interested, there's a generic introduction to GRASP at https://github.com/becarpenter/graspy/blob/master/GRASP-intro.pdf (with a very small overlap with the slides from Toerless). Regards Brian On 16-Nov-20 12:23, Yingzhen Qu wrote: > Hi Toerless, > > Please double check your slides in the meeting materials and let me know if there is any problem. > > Thanks, > Yingzhen > > On 11/14/20, 1:48 AM, "Toerless Eckert" <tte@cs.fau.de> wrote: > > Slides uploaded via propose slide. Hope that worked... > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 07:12:42PM +0000, Yingzhen Qu wrote: > > Hi Toerless, > > > > We??ll provide you a 20-mins slot in RTGWG Wednesday session. Would you please provide some details/pointers about your presentation? I need to update the agenda with the info so people have time to read up. > > > > Thanks, > > Yingzhen > > From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> > > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 4:14 PM > > To: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>, rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org <rtgwg-chairs@ietf.org>, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>, ??????( 00419335) <chenshuanglong@huawei.com>, anima-chairs@ietf.org <anima-chairs@ietf.org>, Lizhenbin <lizhenbin@huawei.com>, anima@ietf.org <anima@ietf.org>, Guyunan <guyunan@huawei.com>, rwilton@cisco.com <rwilton@cisco.com>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org <rtgwg@ietf.org> > > Subject: Re: RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to present on GRASP ? (was: Re: draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol (was: Re: IETF 105 mic comments on draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol)) > > Toerless, > > > > We will provide a slot, most likely during the 2nd meeting. > > Please send an email to RTGWG with a short intro so people who might be interested have the time read up. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Cheers, > > Jeff > > On Nov 10, 2020, 11:48 AM -0800, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, wrote: > > > > I'd like to underline what Toerless said. I looked at the two use casess > > in the protocol-assisted-protocol draft and they seem very easy to > > map onto GRASP. I don't really have time before the meeting to do > > that but they are certainly use cases we could have included in the > > original use case BOF that led to ANIMA. > > > > Regards > > Brian Carpenter > > > > On 11-Nov-20 05:57, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > In followup to the discuss on draft-li-rtgwg-protocol-assisted-protocol: > > > > Checking RTGWG agenda, it seems you might still have time available, > > so if you are interested, i would be happy to whip up a few slides > > to five an overview of GRASP and how we imagine it to be useable > > to automate operational workflows for various services, including > > routing protocols. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > In-Reply-To: <20201110165235.GA17445@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 05:52:35PM +0100, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > > > I see subject draft is again on the agenda of RTGWG'109 and the authors also asked > > for a slot to present to ANIMA (which we would be happy to have, time permitting). > > > > Some thoughts as contributor, maybe ANIMA chair: > > > > Reading the draft it looks like a reinvention of the ANIMA GRASP protocol > > that we finished almost 3 years ago, but without many of the mechanisms > > that make GRASP a well reuseable, easily extensible protocol. So i wonder > > why we would want to also do another more imited protocol for the same > > goals. > > > > On the mike RTGWG @IETF105, interest was raised to see a more comprehensive > > signalling enxchange example. Version 03 of the document seems to have > > expanded the BGP example a bit, but still not comprehensive enough for me > > to understand if/how this approach would ultimately work. > > > > I would like to encourage the authors to concentrate on fully specifying > > intended use-cases - ideally by simply specifying the use-case as > > solution using GRASP (we call this GRASP objectives). I am sure > > ANIMA participants (including me) would be happy to help explaining how > > to specify such a protocol on top of GRASP once we understand the use-case. > > > > Cheers > > Toerless > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 11:02:31AM -0400, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > > > > To repeat my comments from the microphone regarding this draft: > > > > We already have per-protocol operational and configuration state via the > > IETF yang models for a given protocol. > > > > We also have mechanisms to fetch operational state for such protocols; e.g. > > netconf and restconf. > > > > Rather than inventing a new mechanism to do troubleshooting for a protocol, > > I'd suggest it makes better sense to augment existing IETF yang models to > > include RPCs for interacting with troubleshooting for that protocol. > > > > -- Jeff > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rtgwg mailing list > > rtgwg@ietf.org > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frtgwg&data=04%7C01%7Cyingzhen.qu%40futurewei.com%7C1783663bf3e04584c4d008d888827083%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637409441120194999%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=syHLZW2J3aFagjDgsOx2mgNbQr115o5BVZ2Nt4tcB0k%3D&reserved=0 > > > > -- > > --- > > tte@cs.fau.de > > > > -- > --- > tte@cs.fau.de >
- [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to prese… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to p… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to p… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to p… Yingzhen Qu
- Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to p… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to p… Yingzhen Qu
- Re: [Anima] RTGWG-chairs: slot for RTGWG@109 to p… Brian E Carpenter