[apps-discuss] text/nfo draft-01 to -02 feedback, was Re: Volunteer needed for media type ISE review

Sean Leonard <dev+ietf@seantek.com> Mon, 05 October 2015 00:53 UTC

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Hello Tom et. al.:

Thank you for the comments. I incorporated most of this feedback without 
issue, except for the final two points (and a clarification about 
security considerations):

On 9/29/2015 4:29 AM, t.petch wrote:
> Sean
>
> I think that you will need more Security Considerations to make this
> acceptable.  Looking at that section for other Media Types, they mostly
> say something about the lack of confidentiality, integrity and so on,
> while this I-D explicitly mentions the ambiguity of some code points
> which to me says 'easy phishing'.

On this--I added more stuff. The only thing I might add in a future 
draft is that if you go with the modern Microsoft code page mapping at 
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/goglobal/cc305156>, then the mapping is in 
fact bijective with Unicode.

> s.3.7  this template corresponds to RFC2978 but I note that IANA has a
> few extra fields.    Doubtless the Expert Reviewer will ask for them if
> needed.

I looked through the IANA registries (note that there are two: the 
"charsets" registry and the "character sets" registry), and I did not 
see the extra fields. Can you point them out?

> 3.5 Better to be explicit that it is the 'Media Types' registry that is
> the intended destination.

I did not modify the IANA Considerations text, not so much because I 
disagree, but because I have at least two other Internet-Drafts:
draft-seantek-windows-image
draft-ietf-appsawg-text-markdown

in which the same boilerplate directives are stated, without saying 
"...in the Standards tree of the Media Types registry [CITE NEEDED?] 
using the application provided...". If I change this draft, it is only 
fair that I change the other drafts. Note that the text-markdown draft 
is allllmoooosssttt ttthhheerrreee to AUTH48.

So this is a general referendum on the topic. In a published document is 
it necessary to state:
1. "of the Media Types registry"
2. "[CITE]" to the Media Types registry
3. "in the [Standards] tree" (let's face it, it's almost always going to 
be in the Standards tree, otherwise why bother; it's also implicit in 
the registration template)

in the IANA Considerations?

My view is that this statement is sufficient:
IANA is asked to register the media type X/Y using the application 
provided in Section Z of this document.

Less is more.

Sean