RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam within consent paradigm
"Bob Wyman" <bob@wyman.us> Thu, 03 July 2003 16:58 UTC
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From: Bob Wyman <bob@wyman.us>
To: 'Barry Shein' <bzs@world.std.com>, 'Yakov Shafranovich' <research@solidmatrix.com>
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Subject: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam within consent paradigm
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 12:57:41 -0400
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Barry Shein wrote: > Although reasonable-sounding these descriptions [of consent] > are starting to remind me of those long-ago Artificial Intelligence > seminars where you'd get to ponder why some seemingly simple > human behavior was so difficult to code into a program. We've had precisely the same issue with software licensing or Digital Rights Management for years. The issue is one of managing expectations. The reality is that machines can only manage things they can detect yet people will often express their rules in terms that involve things that machines can't detect. For instance, people will often say that they only want mail from some specific user yet the machine can't detect identity. The machine can only detect the use of things which are assumed to indicate identity. (i.e. When if someone says "Only Bob can send mail" what the machine needs to hear is "Only someone using Bob's private key can send mail." For a person, "identity" is an attribute of being. For the computer, identity is a property which is assumed belong to users of certain proofs of identity. But, this is all getting a bit philosophical. Barry has a point. As we get into dealing with the issues of expressing and managing consent, we must all be careful to ensure that people understand the inherent limitations of machines in this realm. There is only so much that the machine can do for you. bob wyman _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spa… Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Bob Wyman
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Bob Wyman
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Bob Wyman
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Barry Shein
- Re: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defi… Jon Kyme
- RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defi… Tom Thomson
- Re: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - … Jon Kyme
- RE: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - … Tom Thomson
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Bob Wyman
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Madscientist
- Re: RE: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterizatio… Jon Kyme
- Re: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… C. Wegrzyn
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Madscientist
- Re: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… C. Wegrzyn
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Tom Thomson
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Madscientist
- RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining… Madscientist