Re: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam within consent paradigm

"Jon Kyme" <jrk@merseymail.com> Thu, 03 July 2003 14:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam within consent paradigm
To: Tom Thomson <tthomson@neosinteractive.com>
From: Jon Kyme <jrk@merseymail.com>
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:17:04 +0100

> One trouble here is that one moment you write "does not want" and at
> another
> you write "does not consent to" just as if they meant the same thing.
> They
> do not mean the same thing.
> 
> I consent to receiving bills from the people who supply my electricty,
> but I
> don't want to receive those bills - I'd much rather have the electricity
> free.  I don't think those bills are spam - in fact I believe that any
> definition of spam that includes those bills is just plain wrong. So spam

What are you on? Ar you talking about your electricity or your electricity
bills?

Of course you "want" (need or desire) your electricity bills, given that
your electricity *isn't* free. Otherwise the first thing you'd know is that
you get a court summons for non-payment. You "consent" (express a
willingness) to receive them when you sign up with your supplier, because
you need them.

What you "want" is a dictionary.







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