Re: RE: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam within consent paradigm

["Jon Kyme" <[e-mail]>]

> "What are you on" is not a useful question to post on this list.
> 

Sorry, meant to say "What are you on about"

> 
> I'll risk Paul's wrath and reply in the same unhelpful vein as you have
> adopted:-
> 
> I guess if you don't understand that there is a very clear distinction
> between wanting something and consenting to it we will all do better to
> ignore anything you say about the consent model for spam/spam
> control/spam
> elimination, because you are clearly on something that has reduced your
> ability to distinguish basic semantic concepts to the point where you
> can't
> usefully communicate.
> 

Tom, I do distinguish between "want" and "consent".
If you'll care to re-read my comment you'll note that I
say "You "consent" (express a willingness) to receive them when you sign up
with your supplier, because you need" (i.e. "want") "them."

It appears that you imagine "want" to mean only "really enjoy having".

Clearly an assertion of consent, unless originated by an insane person,
will cover those things "wanted".

To continue your rather strange electrical analogy, I may not like (wish,
"want" in your sense) to be charged, but given that I am charged, I do want
(need, desire) to be sent the bill.
 
I hopes this clears thing up.

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Kyme [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: 03 July 2003 15:17
> To: Tom Thomson
> Cc: ASRG
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Asrg] 2. Problem Characterization - Defining spam
> within consent paradigm
> 
> 
> > One trouble here is that one moment you write "does not want" and at >
> another > you write "does not consent to" just as if they meant the same
> thing. > They > do not mean the same thing. >  > I consent to receiving
> bills from the people who supply my electricty, > but I > don't want to
> receive those bills - I'd much rather have the electricity > free. I
> don't
> think those bills are spam - in fact I believe that any > definition of
> spam
> that includes those bills is just plain wrong. So spam What are you on?
> Ar
> you talking about your electricity or your electricity
> bills?
>  Of course you "want" (need or desire) your electricity bills, given that
> your electricity *isn't* free. Otherwise the first thing you'd know is
> that
> you get a court summons for non-payment. You "consent" (express a
> willingness) to receive them when you sign up with your supplier, because
> you need them.
>  What you "want" is a dictionary.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 





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