Re: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoidance

Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com> Thu, 02 October 2003 02:07 UTC

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From: Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com>
Subject: Re: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoidance
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To: Eric Dean <eric@purespeed.com>
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Can this be left as a recommendation but not required, so the 
implementors will be left to decide? Or do we need to make a decision on 
this? Also, would this be relevant to the BCP area?

Eric Dean wrote:
> If we start adding various messaging such as with DSNs...I don't think
> that we should be hijacking a sender's email address to carry various
> protocol information.
> 
> Of course, that's just my opinion and why it's merely a recommendation
> rather than a must, shall...
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: asrg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:asrg-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> 
> Peter
> 
>>Kay
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:08 PM
>>To: asrg@ietf.org
>>Subject: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoidance
>>
>>I finally had a chance to come up for air to respond to Eric/Yakov's
>>draft
>>at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-asrg-cri-00.txt  .
>>ASRG owes you much for your hard work in creating this document and I
>>personally thank you for furthering an important area of
>>interoperability.
>>
>>On loop avoidance section, specifically:
>>
>>"For CRI systems that issue challenge messages, it is also recommended
>>that each CRI system use a local systemwide user, such as cri@foo.com,
>>for issuing challenges rather than preserving the original sender's
>>email address as the sender of the challenge message."
>>
>>We disgree.
>>
>>Most CR systems automatically/dynamically add the recipient to the
>>sender's whitelist.  So if I send an email to eric@cri.com, he's
>>automatically added to my whitelist.  If the mail-from on his
> 
> challenge
> 
>>is eric@cri.com, his email comes straight to my inbox without delays
> 
> or
> 
>>filters and certainly won't get challenged.  If the mail-from on his
>>challenge is "challenger@cri.com", the CRI protocol needs to be
> 
> invoked,
> 
>>possibly creating unecessary overhead.
>>
>>Keeping the mail-from consistent allows CRI systems to naturally
>>interoperate and assuming that the CR system adds recipients to the
>>whitelist, elegantly solves the problem of CR systems challenging
> 
> other
> 
>>challenges.
>>
>>Peter
>>
>>
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