RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoidance
"Eric Dean" <eric@purespeed.com> Thu, 02 October 2003 00:31 UTC
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From: Eric Dean <eric@purespeed.com>
To: 'Peter Kay' <peter@titankey.com>, asrg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoidance
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 20:30:47 -0400
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If we start adding various messaging such as with DSNs...I don't think that we should be hijacking a sender's email address to carry various protocol information. Of course, that's just my opinion and why it's merely a recommendation rather than a must, shall... > -----Original Message----- > From: asrg-admin@ietf.org [mailto:asrg-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter > Kay > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:08 PM > To: asrg@ietf.org > Subject: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoidance > > I finally had a chance to come up for air to respond to Eric/Yakov's > draft > at http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-irtf-asrg-cri-00.txt . > ASRG owes you much for your hard work in creating this document and I > personally thank you for furthering an important area of > interoperability. > > On loop avoidance section, specifically: > > "For CRI systems that issue challenge messages, it is also recommended > that each CRI system use a local systemwide user, such as cri@foo.com, > for issuing challenges rather than preserving the original sender's > email address as the sender of the challenge message." > > We disgree. > > Most CR systems automatically/dynamically add the recipient to the > sender's whitelist. So if I send an email to eric@cri.com, he's > automatically added to my whitelist. If the mail-from on his challenge > is eric@cri.com, his email comes straight to my inbox without delays or > filters and certainly won't get challenged. If the mail-from on his > challenge is "challenger@cri.com", the CRI protocol needs to be invoked, > possibly creating unecessary overhead. > > Keeping the mail-from consistent allows CRI systems to naturally > interoperate and assuming that the CR system adds recipients to the > whitelist, elegantly solves the problem of CR systems challenging other > challenges. > > Peter > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Asrg mailing list > Asrg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
- [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Avoida… Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- Re: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Kee Hinckley
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Yakov Shafranovich
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Kee Hinckley
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Peter Kay
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… david nicol
- RE: [Asrg] 6. Proposals - CRI Draft - 4.1 Loop Av… Eric Dean