Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype

Hi Ian, 

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> [mailto:autoconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ian Chakeres
> Sent: dinsdag 18 november 2008 12:58
> To: autoconf@ietf.org
> Cc: Thomas Heide Clausen
> Subject: Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - naming
> 
> I'd like to start a discussion thread on the naming of this 
> draft/ linktype.

Shouldn't we agree first that there actually is a link type "previously
known as MANET link"? My working definition for a link would be the one
Dave Thaler gives in draft-iab-ip-model-evolution-01:

"A "link" in the IP service model refers to the topological area within
which a packet with an IPv4 TTL or IPv6 Hop Limit of 1 can be
delivered." (Inherited from RFC4903, but reworded slightly).

Non-transitivity does not seem to fit this definition?

> 
> I don't think that MANET should be in the name of the 
> linktype. The characteristics and constraints of a linktype 
> are not MANET specific.

Strictly speaking, you are right. But: "what's in a name?".

> 
> (I'd also like to repeat that MANET routing protocols will 
> work quite happily over other link types as well.)

IMHO, that point has been made ad nauseam in previous Autoconf sessions.
(In Philadelphia, in particular). It is true of course, but what does it
prove? We already had those other link types covered; they are not what
MANET protocols were designed for. MANET protocols come into their own
when used over these special <new name> links.

> 
> I would rather describe these links as "non-reflexive and 
> non- transitive (wireless) links". I'd also be happy with a 
> nice acronym, like NBMA or UDLR.
> 
> I'm interested in your thoughts. How do you think we should 
> refer to this linktype?

Sorry, can't think of a cute acronym right now...

Ronald
> 
> Ian
> 
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> >
> > As you know, we need to make progress on the architectural issues, 
> > before we can hope to make progress on other matters within this WG.
> > One of the requests that have been made to us has been to "describe 
> > the MANET Link Type", and so I have written together a 
> strawman text 
> > to this effect:
> >
> > 	
> > 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-clausen-manet-linktype-00.tx
> > t
> >
> > Feedback is, obviously, welcome -- preferably on the list 
> such that we 
> > could be prepared spend time on this also in MN.
> >
> > Note, however, that this is an individual I-D.
> >
> > I'd also like to draw your collective attention to:
> >
> > 	
> > 
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-ip-model-evolution-01.tx
> > t
> >
> > Which has served as a source of inspiration for the linktype text.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Thomas
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