Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - naming
mase <mase@ie.niigata-u.ac.jp> Tue, 18 November 2008 20:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - naming
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At 20:57 08/11/18, Ian Chakeres wrote: >I'd like to start a discussion thread on the naming of this draft/ linktype. > >I don't think that MANET should be in the name of the linktype. The >characteristics and constraints of a linktype are not MANET specific. > >(I'd also like to repeat that MANET routing protocols will work quite >happily over other link types as well.) > >I would rather describe these links as "non-reflexive and non- >transitive (wireless) links". I'd also be happy with a nice acronym, >like NBMA or UDLR. I don't think that the introduction/definition of such a special link type is useful for MANET discussions, since MANET protocols can work on other link types such as the Ethernet. I rather think that it is important to make clear link assumptions or requirements to be used for MANET in general. My sugestions are as follows: MANET protocols work on any link models, where each interface has at least one other interface to/from which it can send/receive packets. These neighbors may change over time. The link models given above of course inculde the Ethernet model as the special case. They also inculde non-reflexive and /or non-transitive links you defined. Kenichi >I'm interested in your thoughts. How do you think we should refer to >this linktype? > >Ian > >On Nov 4, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Thomas Heide Clausen wrote: > >>Folks, >> >>As you know, we need to make progress on the architectural issues, >>before we can hope to make progress on other matters within this WG. >>One of the requests that have been made to us has been to "describe >>the MANET Link Type", and so I have written together a strawman text >>to this effect: >> >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-clausen-manet-linktype-00.txt >> >>Feedback is, obviously, welcome -- preferably on the list such that >>we could be prepared spend time on this also in MN. >> >>Note, however, that this is an individual I-D. >> >>I'd also like to draw your collective attention to: >> >> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-ip-model-evolution-01.txt >> >>Which has served as a source of inspiration for the linktype text. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Thomas >>_______________________________________________ >>Autoconf mailing list >>Autoconf@ietf.org >>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > >_______________________________________________ >Autoconf mailing list >Autoconf@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf
- [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype mase
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Charles E. Perkins
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] STAs out of reach from each other Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] STAs out of reach from each other Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype mase
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Ian Chakeres
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Thomas Heide Clausen
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… mase
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Emmanuel Baccelli
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… mase
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… mase
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Teco Boot
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Autoconf] Non-transitivity as issue Dearlove, Christopher (UK)
- Re: [Autoconf] draft-clausen-manet-linktype - nam… Paul Lambert