Re: [babel] Shepherd's write up on draft-ietf-bable-rtt-extension-04

David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 19 February 2024 20:45 UTC

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:44:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: [babel] Shepherd's write up on draft-ietf-bable-rtt-extension-04
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I definitely don't have a strong preference here, and I'll happily defer to
others, but in general extensions to a protocol don't typically involve
having the extension RFC Update the original protocol RFC. As examples, RFC
9079 (source-specific) and RFC 9229 (v4-via-v6) do not update RFC 8966. I
would suggest doing the same here. The general meaning of the Updates tag
is that everyone reading the updated RFC needs to read the updating one. A
good example is RFC 9467 (relaxed MAC) updating RFC 8967 (MAC).

David

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 2:19 AM Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:

> >> Producing that write-up caused me to re-read the draft and notice one
> >> thing, which is presumably one of the purposes of the slightly
> >> exhaustive template: At the top of the title page, it says it updates
> >> RFC 8967. Shouldn't that be 8966?
>
> > Donald, what shall I do: Updates 8966, or Updates nothing?
>
> My preference is the former (updates 8966).  Sorry for following-up on
> myself.
>
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