Re: [bmwg] bmwg Digest, Vol 227, Issue 1

[Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:25 PM, Sudhin <
sudhinjacob=[e-mail]> wrote:

> I think there are no opposition, then we need to forward this. We put a
> lot of effort over a period of time and went through multiple votings.
> Due to pandemic there was an halt beyond our control.
>  Now we are back and overcome the obstacles. It needs to be put back in
> queue like earlier.
>


Only if the WG explicitly supports progressing the document.

It did not go through "multiple votings" - it had a WGLC, IETF LC and IESG
eval.
During the IESG eval it received 5 DISCUSS positions (
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest/ballot/).

We tried reaching out to the authors **multiple** times to get an update. A
few of these are listed in the Datatracker history (
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest/history/  -
2021-08-24, 2021-09-15, 2022-01-28), but there were many others as well,
including mail from the chairs, asking people who worked at Juniper to poke
internally, etc, and multiple emails to the WG:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bmwg/bxVZYdOb8WXf1HJ-b7MVApK3_LI/https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bmwg/q_QpkXNK2YcNxMqix3EhrY-3O0w/

We even asked in the WG for volunteers to take over:
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bmwg/q_QpkXNK2YcNxMqix3EhrY-3O0w/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUZKhuqa5BY&t=411s

The chairs and I repeatedly asked the WG for volunteers to pick up the
document and progress it — but no-one did. This implies that the WG did not
strongly want to progress it.

It has been 800 days (>2years, 2 months) since IESG Eval — it would need at
the minimum another WGLC, IETF LC and IESG Eval….

Without strong evidence of interest from the WG (including strong support
during WGLC), and a strong commitment from the authors to quickly and
comprehensively address all comments, I cannot progress the document.

W




> Regards,
> Sudhin
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>   1. Fwd:  I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-11.txt
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> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:27:00 -0700
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> Subject: [bmwg] Fwd:  I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-11.txt
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> Hello BMWG,
>    My apologies for the late follow up - I thought I?d sent this note, but
> cannot find it in my mailbox, so let me circle back.
>
>    The authors of the EVPN benchmarking work had previously shared an
> adopted document with the working group. It was marked dead, due to an
> inability to reach the authors (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/
> bmwg/q_QpkXNK2YcNxMqix3EhrY-3O0w/
> <http:////links.rediff.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive%2Eietf%2Eorg%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fbmwg%2Fq%5FQpkXNK2YcNxMqix3EhrY%2D3O0w%2F&rediffng=0&rogue=3e5be3b2492659ab4627d176df1b0914ac2fe2fa&rdf=XngFclU2XjMHMwA6Bz4LPlNjB2xdZA==>).
> The authors would like to revive the draft. Given how much time has elapsed
> since WGLC and IETF LC, our AD would like the working group to review and
> confirm that it is still work we?d like to support. Please reply to this
> email with a call for support, or lack of support. Let?s give this period 2
> weeks - please indicate support/no support by September 25, 2023.
>
> Thank you,
> Sarah
> BMWG Co-Chair
>
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> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: [e-mail]
> > Subject: [bmwg] I-D Action: draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-11.txt
> > Date: August 17, 2023 at 1:30:12 AM PDT
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> > Cc: [e-mail]
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> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> > directories. This Internet-Draft is a work item of the Benchmarking
> > Methodology (BMWG) WG of the IETF.
> >
> >   Title           : Benchmarking Methodology for EVPN and PBB-EVPN
> >   Authors         : Sudhin Jacob
> >                     Kishore Tiruveedhula
> >   Filename        : draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-11.txt
> >   Pages           : 27
> >   Date            : 2023-08-17
> >
> > Abstract:
> >   This document defines methodologies for benchmarking EVPN and PBB-
> >   EVPN performance.  EVPN is defined in RFC 7432, and is being deployed
> >   in Service Provider networks.  Specifically, this document defines
> >   the methodologies for benchmarking EVPN/PBB-EVPN convergence, data
> >   plane performance, and control plane performance.
> >
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest/
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> > There is also an htmlized version available at:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bmwg-evpntest-11
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> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
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