Re: [bmwg] draft-green-bmwg-seceff-bench-meth-00

Kenneth Green <KGreen@ixiacom.com> Thu, 27 October 2011 15:33 UTC

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From: Kenneth Green <KGreen@ixiacom.com>
To: "Jan Novak (janovak)" <janovak@cisco.com>, "bmwg@ietf.org" <bmwg@ietf.org>
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Good suggestion Jan, thank you. We will certainly need to flesh out the terminology and indeed, publish an associated terminology draft.

An attack is indeed the whole flow/transaction set.

Vulnerability/Malware (more terms we will define) attacks are a flow that triggers a vulnerability, exercises an exploit and performs its evil intent.

A DDoS attack would be a series of flows within a defined period that together can be seen to be attempting to deny service to legitimate users. An example would be a botnet sending thousands of pings from spoofed IP addresses to the target host.

In the case of access to banned sites or application an "attack" is the flow that attempts the access. An example would be an attempt to use Torrent or to play a popular game on Facebook from inside a corporate network.

In the case of Data Leakage Prevention (DLP) an "attack" is an attempt to send banned material out of the protected network. An example would be sending an email with an attachment containing customer details.

Regards,
Kenneth

Kenneth Green
Solution Architect
Ixia

From: Jan Novak (janovak) [mailto:janovak@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 October 2011 11:01 PM
To: Kenneth Green; bmwg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [bmwg] draft-green-bmwg-seceff-bench-meth-00

Hi,

It sounds intuitive (I am not very familiar with this
area), but maybe you should include a definition of
an attack - is each  Evil Packet equivalent to one
attack or is it the whole transaction/flow which represents
an attack ??

Jan

The climate of Edinburgh is such that the weak succumb young ....
and the strong envy them.
                                 Dr. Johnson


From: bmwg-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org> [mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org]<mailto:[mailto:bmwg-bounces@ietf.org]> On Behalf Of Kenneth Green
Sent: 25 October 2011 03:53
To: bmwg@ietf.org<mailto:bmwg@ietf.org>
Subject: [bmwg] draft-green-bmwg-seceff-bench-meth-00

Hi Team,

A new Internet Draft has been posted addressing benchmark testing of Security Effectiveness.

http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-green-bmwg-seceff-bench-meth-00.txt

We would like to solicit discussion about the concepts described in this draft and look forward to your comments, questions and suggestions.

Regards,
Kenneth

Kenneth Green
Solution Architect
Ixia