Re: [bmwg] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-bmwg-ngfw-performance-13

[Carsten Rossenhoevel <[e-mail]>]

Hi Matt, Toerless,

Thank you both for your guidance.  We will proceed as suggested.

Best regards, Carsten


Am 02.02.2022 um 08:32 schrieb Matt Joras:
> Hi Carsten,
>
> I don't have a good answer unfortunately. In my opinion the mentions 
> of QUIC and HTTP/3 don't add a lot, and feel a bit bolted on so to 
> speak. This is of course understandable given the relatively recent 
> standardization of QUIC itself and the lack of testing experience with 
> it and the numerous implementations.
>
> If it were me I would perhaps instead make a note of QUIC as a 
> potential transport protocol for HTTP, and acknowledge that the 
> document will not attempt to enumerate specific testing procedures for 
> it. The current text probably would not lead to useful results for 
> QUIC performance testing relative to TCP.
>
> That's my two cents anyway.
>
> Matt Joras
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022, 11:14 PM Carsten Rossenhoevel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>     Dear Matt,
>
>     Thank you for your review!
>
>     We added QUIC to the draft during one of the BMWG sessions based on
>     suggestions from the attendees.  The authors are a bit unsure how
>     to fix
>     the draft that's up for approval so that it would be precise and
>     fully
>     compliant with QUIC environments.
>
>     Do you have any specific suggestions how to correct the text, keeping
>     QUIC in scope?
>
>     Alternatively, we could remove QUIC references and take it out of
>     scope
>     and cover it in a future amendment.  Not the best solution, but after
>     more than three years of drafting with so many contributors, we would
>     like to avoid opening a new discussion area that would likely
>     delay the
>     work by another year.
>
>     Best regards, Carsten
>
>
>     Am 2/1/2022 um 5:40 PM schrieb Matt Joras via Datatracker:
>     > Reviewer: Matt Joras
>     > Review result: Ready with Issues
>     >
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>     > Document: draft-ietf-bmwg-ngfw-performance-13
>     > Reviewer: Matt Joras
>     > Review Date: 2022-01-31
>     > IETF LC End Date: 2021-12-29
>     > IESG Telechat date: 2022-02-03
>     >
>     > Nits/editorial comments:
>     >
>     > Section 4.3.1.1
>     > This section details TCP stack attributes in great detail. However,
>     > subsequently HTTP/3 and QUIC are both mentioned in 4.3.1.3..
>     QUIC is in need of
>     > tuning just as much as TCP, if not more.
>     >
>     > " HTTP/3 emulated browser uses QUIC ([RFC9000]) as transport
>     protocol." should
>     > be reworded, and I'm not exactly sure what it is trying to convey.
>     >
>     > "Depending on test scenarios and selected HTTP version, HTTP
>     header compression
>     > MAY be set to enable or disable." should probably read " be
>     enabled or
>     > disabled."
>     >
>     > Similarly in sections 7, there is a lot of specific mention of
>     TCP connections,
>     > TCP RSTs, FINs, etc. and continued mentioning of HTTP. Since
>     QUIC is a
>     > significant carrier of HTTP traffic it seems these sections
>     should not be so
>     > specific to TCP. Especially since it seems as though for these
>     kinds of devices
>     > their limits may very well be different for UDP or TCP flows.
>     >
>     >
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