Re: [Cbor] [dtn] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: LTC timescale (Re: Question regarding RFC 9171 - How to incorporate "Coordinated Lunar Time")

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Subject: Re: [Cbor] [dtn] [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: LTC timescale (Re: Question regarding RFC 9171 - How to incorporate "Coordinated Lunar Time")
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Hiya,

On 12/04/2024 18:05, Rieber, Richard R (US 347R) wrote:
> Does anyone think we should tweak the DTN Time field to utilize the
> CBOR Timescale/Timesystem standard Carsten mentioned? I think we
> should.

I do not think such a change would be a good idea.

If you did, then ISTM eventually nearly every BP node would need to
be able to understand and translate between every possible planetary
timescale. Sounds like a recipe for bugs and possible vulnerabilities
to me.

So, better for the lunar devices to translate to/from UTC when making
or reading bundles I think.

Cheers,
S.