RE: MPLS OAM & the IETF
Raj Sharma <raj@luminous.com> Thu, 07 March 2002 23:30 UTC
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From: Raj Sharma <raj@luminous.com>
To: 'Scott Bradner' <sob@harvard.edu>, ccamp@ops.ietf.org
Subject: RE: MPLS OAM & the IETF
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2a > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Bradner [mailto:sob@harvard.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:34 AM > To: ccamp@ops.ietf.org > Subject: MPLS OAM & the IETF > > > subject: MPLS OAM & the IETF > > The result of the MPLS OAM BOF in Salt Lake City has been > confirmed over > the last few days in the mailing list thread > "draft-bonica-tunneltrace-02." > > > That result was and is that there are at least two quite > different views on > the type of OAM tools and technologies needed for MPLS networks. > > My reading of the groups is that one group, who are mostly > concerned with > the transport of IP over MPLS, generally feel that tools > approximating the > traditional "ping" and "traceroute" tools used on IP networks are > sufficient. A second group seems to feel that those tools do > not provide > enough of a view of the service a customer is getting to be > sufficient and > that tools approximating traditional telephone system OAM > tools are needed > to get the complete picture. > > Meanwhile, the ITU-T has been working in this area and has a > document in > their equivalent of the IETF Last-Call. Brian Moore, the > ITU-T Study Group > 13 chair, kindly arraigned for the ITU-T document (known as > Y.1711) to be > put on an ftp site so interested IETF folk can take a look at > what they > have done. The URL is > http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/studygroups/com13/ip/sg13-ietf-ftp.ht ml (IETF folk have to register to use the FTP site.) It seems to me that there are two options on what we (the IETF) could do at this point. 0/ you think I do not understand the issue 1/ split the tasks: The IETF focus on the ping/traceroute mechanisms and cede to the ITU-T work on the more telco-like OAM. In this option the IETF would publish draft-ohta-mpls-label-value-01.txt as an RFC and assign an MPLS reserved label value for use by the ITU-T to identify Y.1711 information. 2/ The IETF work on a suite of technologies ranging from the ping/traceroute-like mechanisms to the more telephone system OAM ones. The IETF could try to figure out how to do this in conjunction with the ITU, though it is a bit late for that considering the state of Y.1711, or be in competition with the ITU-T. So - please indicate your opinion on how the IETF should proceed 1 - split the tasks between the IETF and the ITU-T 2 - IETF produce standards track documents covering both areas 2a - trying to work with the ITU-T to produce common technology 2b - in competition with the ITU-T In any case, it would be good to provide feedback to the ITU-T on Y.1711 if you see anything that looks broken. Scott (with sub-ip AD hat on)
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