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Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 21 February 2024 22:20 UTC

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Subject: [CFRG] stick to kems maybe (Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: (no subject))
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On 21/02/2024 21:57, Mike Ounsworth wrote:
> By the way, which of those parallel PKI models is right for you...

FWIW, I've not been convinced all those PKI combinations
are actually needed, but regardless, given this debate is
about KEMs, I don't think it's helpful to add PKI issues
(or other extraneous matters) to the mix.

Cheers,
S.

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