Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners
Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> Wed, 31 January 2024 22:30 UTC
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From: Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:29:54 -0500
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To: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth=40entrust.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners
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Hi, I agree that this should be adopted by CFRG. Cheers, - Ira On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 3:25 PM Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth= 40entrust.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Thanks Nick. > > > > As an author of draft-ounsworth-cfrg-kem-combiners, I support adoption of > this research area – whether draft-ounsworth-cfrg-kem-combiners or > something else emerges as the final solution(s), I think we need something > from CFRG to guide IETF protocol design. > > > > --- > > *Mike* Ounsworth > > > > *From:* CFRG <cfrg-bounces@irtf.org> *On Behalf Of *Nick Sullivan > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 31, 2024 9:29 AM > *To:* cfrg@irtf.org > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners > > > > Dear CFRG, There has been a lot of discussion on the list over the last > few weeks around the topic of hybrid KEMs, including discussion around the > topic of where we should go as a group. There seems to be significant > interest in this topic > > Dear CFRG, > > > > There has been a lot of discussion on the list over the last few weeks > around the topic of hybrid KEMs, including discussion around the topic of > where we should go as a group. There seems to be significant interest in > this topic from around the IETF and in broader industry. We (the chairs) > have decided to open up a research call for adoption for a topic in this > area, described below. > > The standard context for the group applies here as always: As part of the > IRTF, the CFRG is a research group, producing research documents relevant > to the IETF and broader community. The CFRG does *not* publish standards > and does *not* dictate cryptographic choices to IETF working groups. CFRG > documents often come with concrete specifications for parameterizations > relevant to groups within the IETF. Recent examples of documents of this > style resulting from topics adopted by the CFRG include RFC 9497 (OPRF) and > RFC 9381 (VRF), which provide a thorough overview of the topic along with > concrete parameterizations that can adopted by protocol designers. > > The CFRG has a full docket of important ongoing work, so it’s important to > ensure that any work the CFRG adopts at this point aligns with the charter > by offering necessary guidance (for network security in general and for the > IETF in particular) on the use of emerging mechanisms. > > With that preamble done,* this email starts a three-week call for the > adoption* of a work item within the CFRG to produce an informational > document exploring how to safely combine KEMs. This document > * Will use draft-ounsworth-cfrg-kem-combiners as a starting point for > describing generic combiners > * Will include an analysis of the non-generic combiner mechanisms for > specific KEMs outlined in draft-connolly-cfrg-xwing-kem and other published > works in the area > * Will describe the security properties and trade-offs of various methods > of combining KEMs > * Will provide concrete instantiations of hybrid KEMs that are relevant to > IETF protocols (potentially similar to X-Wing and Chempat-X), including > pseudocode and test vectors > > Please give your views on whether this should be adopted as a CFRG draft > and whether you would be willing to work on this document and/or review it. > > > Nick, Alexey, Stanislav > _______________________________________________ > CFRG mailing list > CFRG@irtf.org > https://mailman.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >
- [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Aritra Banerjee (Nokia)
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Stephen Farrell
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Dan Brown
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Call for adoption: Hybrid K… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Call for adoption: Hybrid K… Ira McDonald
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Russ Housley
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Santosh Chokhani
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Orie Steele
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Chris Barber
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Deirdre Connolly
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Aron Wussler
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Aron Wussler
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Flo D
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kousidis, Stavros
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Bas Westerbaan
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kris Kwiatkowski
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kousidis, Stavros
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kousidis, Stavros
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Sophie Schmieg
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Sophie Schmieg
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Sophie Schmieg
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan