Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners
Bas Westerbaan <bas@cloudflare.com> Tue, 06 February 2024 11:59 UTC
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2024 12:59:03 +0100
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners
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I support the CFRG working on a document that offers concrete guidance on fashioning bespoke hybrids: there is a clear demand, and good resources are currently lacking. I do completely agree with Dan that we should not lose track of (at least our) main goal: to help move everyone to a PQ/T hybrid asap. Somewhere this year, perhaps around June, NIST will publish the final standards for ML-KEM. That's the moment we should have a KEM ready to go — at least for the common cases. That's the goal of X-Wing. Nick, I would like to hear from you if you think that timeline is realistic for the proposed document. Best, Bas On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 4:29 PM Nick Sullivan <nicholas.sullivan@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear CFRG, > > There has been a lot of discussion on the list over the last few weeks > around the topic of hybrid KEMs, including discussion around the topic of > where we should go as a group. There seems to be significant interest in > this topic from around the IETF and in broader industry. We (the chairs) > have decided to open up a research call for adoption for a topic in this > area, described below. > > The standard context for the group applies here as always: As part of the > IRTF, the CFRG is a research group, producing research documents relevant > to the IETF and broader community. The CFRG does *not* publish standards > and does *not* dictate cryptographic choices to IETF working groups. CFRG > documents often come with concrete specifications for parameterizations > relevant to groups within the IETF. Recent examples of documents of this > style resulting from topics adopted by the CFRG include RFC 9497 (OPRF) and > RFC 9381 (VRF), which provide a thorough overview of the topic along with > concrete parameterizations that can adopted by protocol designers. > > The CFRG has a full docket of important ongoing work, so it’s important to > ensure that any work the CFRG adopts at this point aligns with the charter > by offering necessary guidance (for network security in general and for the > IETF in particular) on the use of emerging mechanisms. > > With that preamble done,* this email starts a three-week call for the > adoption* of a work item within the CFRG to produce an informational > document exploring how to safely combine KEMs. This document > * Will use draft-ounsworth-cfrg-kem-combiners as a starting point for > describing generic combiners > * Will include an analysis of the non-generic combiner mechanisms for > specific KEMs outlined in draft-connolly-cfrg-xwing-kem and other published > works in the area > * Will describe the security properties and trade-offs of various methods > of combining KEMs > * Will provide concrete instantiations of hybrid KEMs that are relevant to > IETF protocols (potentially similar to X-Wing and Chempat-X), including > pseudocode and test vectors > > Please give your views on whether this should be adopted as a CFRG draft > and whether you would be willing to work on this document and/or review it. > > > Nick, Alexey, Stanislav > _______________________________________________ > CFRG mailing list > CFRG@irtf.org > https://mailman.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg >
- [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Aritra Banerjee (Nokia)
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Stephen Farrell
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Dan Brown
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Call for adoption: Hybrid K… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Call for adoption: Hybrid K… Ira McDonald
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Russ Housley
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Santosh Chokhani
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Orie Steele
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Chris Barber
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Deirdre Connolly
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Aron Wussler
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Aron Wussler
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Flo D
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kousidis, Stavros
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Bas Westerbaan
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kris Kwiatkowski
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kousidis, Stavros
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Kousidis, Stavros
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Sophie Schmieg
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Sophie Schmieg
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Watson Ladd
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Sophie Schmieg
- Re: [CFRG] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for adoption: Hybr… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan
- Re: [CFRG] Call for adoption: Hybrid KEM Combiners Nick Sullivan