Re: [Cfrg] UMAC draft version 06
Ted Krovetz <tdk@csus.edu> Thu, 20 October 2005 16:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] UMAC draft version 06
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:46:17 -0700
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> [The introduction] omits the factor 2.01, and thus misstates the > conclusions of the security analysis. We have striven to make the I-D readable to a broad audience and to make the introduction simpler than the security considerations. In past drafts, this translated to saying in the introduction that UMAC had forgery probabilities no more than 2^-30i and saying in the security section that so long as AES was secure that forgery probabilities were no more than 2^-30i. This gets the basic message across (longer tags give proportionally lower forgery probability), and the sophisticated reader of the security section would infer the AES-delta-term's existence. This wasn't "honest" enough for many, so we have changed our presentation. Now the introduction says forgery probability is 2^-30i + delta where value delta "measures the security of the pseudorandom function." Here delta is a general term that includes anything related to breaking AES. Making a more explicit claim of 2^-30i + 3*delta would probably make things less clear for those who simply read introductions. The security section is now more explicit saying that forgery probabilities are no more than 2^-30i + 3*delta, and it gives a more explicit discussion of delta. [See footnote.] This more simplistic use of a delta term in the introduction along with a more precise usage in the security section seems reasonable and appropriate. Our core claim has not changed over any of these drafts: So long as AES is not broken, UMAC forgery probability is no more than 2^-30i. -Ted [Footnote.] The 3*delta term could be written 1.01*(delta(2^64)+delta (82)), where delta(q) is PRP distinguishing probability over q queries. This would make the 3*delta term much closer to 1*delta(q) than 3*delta(q), but we didn't want any ugly terms in the I-D so we wrote 3*delta. If delta is generally considered insignificant, so should 3*delta. _______________________________________________ Cfrg mailing list Cfrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cfrg
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