Re: [Cfrg] Citing specs in specs

Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Mon, 03 March 2014 02:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Cfrg] Citing specs in specs
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 6:14 PM, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> At 15:40 02-03-2014, Paul Lambert wrote:
>>
>> Implementations are possible by using the readily available open source
>> implementation.  This is a good thing, but it is also desirable
>> to have a unambiguous description of the algorithms that is not
>> a C code file.  This is why we write RFCs...
>
>
> A Proposed Standard is about interoperability.  It does not prescribe a
> method.  The test is to determine whether the standard actually works is see
> whether there are different implementations which have been deployed.

>From that perspective let me note that DJB's original assembly
language implementation, Matthew Dempsky's 32 bit C implementation,
and Adam Langley's 64 bit C implementations, were all independently
developed from the paper. Furthermore, I've been able to do the same
in a few hours, if not extremely concerned with speed.

Sincerely,
Watson Ladd

>
> There is a Proposed Standard which contains the source code for a reference
> implementation.  That was unusual.
>
> Please note that I currently have a draft referencing ED25519 [1].
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy
>
> 1. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moonesamy-sshfp-ed25519-00



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