Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-10.txt> (Ogg Encapsulation for the Opus Audio Codec) to Proposed Standard
Ron <ron@debian.org> Wed, 03 February 2016 17:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-10.txt> (Ogg Encapsulation for the Opus Audio Codec) to Proposed Standard
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On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 04:10:58PM +0000, Stephan Wenger wrote: > On 2/2/16, 20:19, "Timothy B. Terriberry" <tterribe@xiph.org> wrote: > > > >It seems to me like putting a BSD copyright header in an XML comment at > >the top of the XML source file and dropping Section 13 from the draft > >would resolve all of the issues, if everyone agrees that is an > >acceptable thing to do. Ron? > > However, it is still a procedural end-run around the currently > in-force IETF position that the IETF reserves the right for itself to > create derivative works from the RFCs it created (my paraphrasing). I can quote more directly without paraphrasing if that helps. The current TLP says: The IETF Trust does not limit the ability of IETF Contributors to license their Contributions, so long as those licenses do not affect the rights granted to the IETF Trust under RFC 5378. And RFC 5377 4.5 says: Authors of Contributions retain all rights in their Contributions. As such, an author may directly grant any rights they wish separately from what the IETF grants. And this is one of the options canvassed with Robert for 6716 before it was decided the header text was the option of choice there. The mechanics of the best way to do it, I'm open to suggestions about, but characterising it as an 'end-run' would seem to be misrepresenting both the documented position of the IETF and the intent of the authors. Ron
- [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-10.t… The IESG
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Robert Sparks
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ben Campbell
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ben Campbell
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Robert Sparks
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ben Campbell
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ben Campbell
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Ron
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Jean-Marc Valin
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Timothy B. Terriberry
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [codec] Last Call: <draft-ietf-codec-oggopus-… Adam Roach