Re: [core] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-core-senml-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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Subject: Re: [core] Ben Campbell's Discuss on draft-ietf-core-senml-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On 4/15/18 11:15 PM, Ben Campbell wrote:
> Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for
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> Hopefully this is easy to address:
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> §4.7  talks about how SenML can also be used to configure parameters and
> controlling actuators. That capability has some rather significant security
> implications, but I failed to find mention of it in the security
> considerations. That needs to be explicitly discussed.

The actuation and configuration functionality has always been
underspecified; I raised an issue about it last year:

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/core/current/msg08871.html

Although that concern was minimally addressed, more could be said to
lock this down.

Peter