Re: [dane] [openpgp] The DANE draft

Patrick Ben Koetter <p@sys4.de> Wed, 05 August 2015 13:11 UTC

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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2015 15:11:21 +0200
From: Patrick Ben Koetter <p@sys4.de>
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* Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>:
> 
> 
> On 05/08/15 09:14, Paul Wouters wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I have no strong preference for base32 vs. digested localpart for the
> >> hostname.  Digested localparts require a little bit more work to invert
> >> than base32, but given the low entropy of typical normalized localparts,
> >> they don't provide a lot of protection against a determined attacker.
> > 
> > And as clearly stated, were never meant to provide security.
> 
> Hmm.
> 
> With no hats, I gotta say I prefer the harder to invert local part
> (i.e. hashed) to the reversible one (b32).
> 
> If this experiment ends up successful, then I think we'll be setting
> a precedent for other per-user identifiers to be used as part of a
> DNS name so I do not believe that arguments about this aspect ought
> be decided solely based on PGP or SMIME or DANE. We should also
> consider that some other protocol is highly likely to follow what
> seems to have worked (just as _blah.example.com has been mimicked)
> and where we don't now know the privacy consequences of copying
> the pattern we're setting here.
> 
> For that reason, I really would prefer that we stick to the hash and
> not go for the reversible per-user identifier.

ACK

p@rick


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