Re: [Dcrup] AD review of draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-04.txt

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com> Thu, 02 November 2017 01:29 UTC

Return-Path: <superuser@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4914813F693 for <dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.699
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FJWt7n-NXfaS for <dcrup@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-vk0-x22e.google.com (mail-vk0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E8A113F562 for <dcrup@ietf.org>; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-vk0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id n70so2594556vkf.11 for <dcrup@ietf.org>; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:29:55 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=h3J3yhnJ+EC0lM3PFRC0/xDEPKwylQVPr5jnkSVrc5w=; b=UPF2rBOXr3hTnPeJeROTbrdSW7xM/3Z520RWvUg5tLKHtG2BAtC/9WUcwssXicY+M+ yinOfhCsXtsCOm0K2REIk/OGQwM33pPtpI6l3M1Y9W60KaRdwCqTKeSY3riof/0MOWy+ 5WJiLoCod7BW0Qis6oTkm3BmIqBAdtGPVaGDDXYdkkN584S7A9RVGTEkK8TFyUEPhGok 7QBXm+BLDk1nChBIuJSnjIkGoeOfm1UjEfHfbabCvHqXAypJrJHeumZHhs+n9ekTh9Xq mQHQymwBmiCye9xG6hSdj8U53lYtXnOEF71zJy0NZM827g7cIJgeuRmR7lr6dZmiqlUU hUdA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=h3J3yhnJ+EC0lM3PFRC0/xDEPKwylQVPr5jnkSVrc5w=; b=fhNlpJYEo/eZYYZ1iz6LmD0xi4X4MJLQEfCHx8O2JQrbfC2NLzqyVUp2rNxx3PJbHy PWwTWJixArYy0nCpCiQcRTxtu0mXC2zRk8bxRZunN6XVLk2SPFYT/upZJoWk+J7ReU+h wn0EhM4cWUTYVwPJtAYK3x/DTSVLfDVJ5sJ8kMRuE/nOOsyl38Ef+OJW8F0vU+B7VuD9 BHdkSj9xb7xzKV8T2C3574VJNy9IVl9G1aqecyBPcDZXpwflbdfWu3utfUJOaDff8Hpy ZJxcjVmnknGv9O7AHenKQS5XOZkQuI6xza6b3NePvrIHbI5x78kiyG60GZpZCShFKAsN xKNA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7FUPME4f1RAkxXCEgcWnOlpThJYAYnNNq/ntapzcg7TkB3Eif3 mzJgZ9jLXXI0agajHdgEIIBNEkkyB9PeQMP47is=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QWdhQ+DZX/E37en2OfvDwGxpcPZrB9qb8drti/rFYhm12bizqPFEBsCqEO7zKwiVUbTe0jqhPHrqLD0CuOxRM=
X-Received: by 10.31.155.74 with SMTP id d71mr1458938vke.94.1509586194406; Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.103.72.67 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Nov 2017 18:29:53 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <185C158A-6306-426E-98B8-2E73D5056178@kitterman.com>
References: <1504117534.496823.1090155768.0E7DA2E2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <CAL0qLwbz3AsKdvZXPfopBO7MY+f3mcY0Ae_yStAWkRJnqGGGEQ@mail.gmail.com> <1504117985.498428.1090164600.651D13E7@webmail.messagingengine.com> <CAL0qLwYuBK55=+ANGLoPk0EazHjsgUcWcgWgo7ptA4QUqD+4aA@mail.gmail.com> <1504177085.2153024.1090910512.3EA32E07@webmail.messagingengine.com> <CAL0qLwYM_k7gUDWX8=ZNoROj=zFtQuW9pTqvRLtvwSHDEDTNGQ@mail.gmail.com> <185C158A-6306-426E-98B8-2E73D5056178@kitterman.com>
From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <superuser@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 18:29:53 -0700
Message-ID: <CAL0qLwY-UcZdmR4=kWP8g2pJagskQLfoPJX9ajpSKE48J8-r-w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com>
Cc: dcrup@ietf.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d2b12e0231d055cf5ec8b"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dcrup/8XCH3UqsUnHN89WPBgGrdyNfFuM>
Subject: Re: [Dcrup] AD review of draft-ietf-dcrup-dkim-usage-04.txt
X-BeenThere: dcrup@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: DKIM Crypto Update <dcrup.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dcrup>, <mailto:dcrup-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dcrup/>
List-Post: <mailto:dcrup@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dcrup-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dcrup>, <mailto:dcrup-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 01:29:57 -0000

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com>
wrote:

> That would leave the new language about permanently failing tied only to
> rsa-sha1 and not also in key size. I would either split the second
> paragraph of 4.1 to put with insufficient key size in 4.2 (DKIM signatures
> signed with insufficient key sizes (currently rsa-sha256 with less than
> 1024 bits) have permanently failed evaluation as discussed in [RFC6376]
> Section 3.9 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6376#section-3.9>) or move
> the whole paragraph up into section 4.
>

I think I like the first option.  Anyone else (and Alexey in particular)?

-MSK